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MKO and the Last Flight to Johannesburg

08 Jun 2012

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Nduka Obaigbena

Publisher@thisdaylive.com


I  am sure thousands of Nigerians have various testimonies and reminiscences on their encounters with the late Bashorun M.K.O. Abiola, the acclaimed winner of the presidential election of June 12, 1993. Here is the story of my last encounters with the man of history.


It was a few minutes to flight time on May 9, 1994. As I ran towards the boarding gate to catch the last South African Airways flight to Johannesburg, I was told to take it easy as other passengers were still awaited and behind me. After handing over my boarding papers, I turned around and to my surprise, Moshood Kashimawo Olawale Abiola was standing behind me waiting to board the same aircraft to Johannesburg for the inauguration of Nelson Mandela as President of a free South Africa.


Abiola was with his wife of blessed memory, Kudirat, my senior friend and Publisher of AFRICA TODAY Books and Magazines, Chief Ralph Uwechue, and my brother journalist, Cameron Daoudu, who writes for the London Observer. I hugged the Bashorun as I had not seen him for almost a year since the June 12, 1993 presidential election. We soon settled into the flight on which Bashorun, Kudirat and I were seated on the same row. Kudirat sat by the window.


First he upbraided and scolded me for not supporting his 1993 presidential bid despite our relationship. I also accused him of backing and funding my opponent, the late Chris Okolie in my senatorial bid in 1991. We made peace when he told the story of how he had to drive several hours by road from Ilorin to Lagos to attend my marriage to my ex-wife in Lagos City Hall, in August 1987. We discussed Nigeria and the unresolved political crises. We discussed Nelson Mandela and his impending presidency and what it meant for Africa. I then invited him (and he accepted) to attend and speak at  our global conference on Change & Challenge in South Africa in Lagos, on June 8, 1994.


Soon after we landed at the Johannesburg International Airport, we were ushered into the VIP welcome area for foreign visitors to the Mandela inauguration. I was the first to go through the immigration. MKO and his delegation went through another immigration desk but I  could hear him clearly tell the immigration officials that he was the President of Nigeria. As soon as he said that the immigration officials apologised for the oversight and asked for a few minutes to get their protocols right; the officials were visibly confused as Heads of State delegations were treated differently. As I tried to make my way out,  the head of the team came to me and asked, “I can see you are also a Nigerian; is he the President of Nigeria?” Silence…


MKO and his delegation who were only about five steps away from me were listening to  my every word… and I had only just reconciled with the man on the aircraft… How was I to respond to this? I quickly collected my thoughts and said to the SA official: “Yes, he was elected President of Nigeria… eh… but you may wish to also contact the Nigerian Embassy.” I made my way out into the bus to the Carlton Hotel in central Johannesburg, where invited guests were booked.

  MKO and the delegation were given official cars to the Carlton Hotel – I later heard these were the  official cars reserved for the then Head of State, General Sani Abacha, and his delegation. After checking into the Carlton Hotel, a quick bath and change of clothing, I made my way with a friend in a protocol bus (no cars for private guests were allowed to the venue) to Pretoria.


Entering the Union Buildings venue of the Mandela inauguration was mind-blowing. It was one moment in history that will remain etched in my memory forever. The first Nigerian I saw as I climbed those majestic stairs was Dele Olojede in his reporter tunic.

He was there reporting for the New York’s Newsday. The dias was even more intimidating. It was a roll call of global leaders and celebrities: from Fidel Castro to Colin Powell; from the late Yassar Arafat to Hilary Clinton. You name the celebrity and world leaders, they were present: kings, queens, actors, writers, icons et al.. Abiola and his team sat quietly among them… I could also see former President  Olusegun Obasanjo and Emeka Anyaoku at different points in the audience.


Moments later, I saw the Nigerian delegation arrive. Babagana Kingibe, Abiola’s preside-ntial running mate and then Minister of Foreign Affairs, quickly spotted and walked towards me. After a handshake and a bear hug, he took me to greet General Sani Abacha who was with former Head of State, General Yakubu Gowon,  former President Shehu  Shagari and Admiral Alison Madueke (then in the Armed Forces Ruling Council). After which Kingibe asked where Abiola was seated. As I pointed towards the direction of Abiola, he hit my hand and said, “Haba! Please do not point towards him…!” The official Nigerian delegation was obviously shaken by the ‘unofficial’ Nigerian delegation!


We all watched South Africa’s powerful entry onto the world stage. I was struck that all VVIP dignitaries were seated together in the audience and the stage was reserved only for Nelson Mandela, F W de-Klerk and heroes of the anti-apartheid struggle like Oliver Thambo and Govan Mbeki. Many in that audience were moved to tears as Mandela took power and spoke eloquently. 

At the end it seemed Abiola was transformed and determined to reclaim his mandate from Abacha and his fellow travelers. Cameron Daodu told me at the end of the ceremony that Abiola was now a changed man and would not be attending the Inauguration Banquet but instead would be heading back to London that night to re-energise his struggle. I was not surprised when a few days later, NADECO was formed.


I did not see Abiola after the inauguration and went ahead with plans for our international conference on ‘Change & Challenge in South Africa’ held at the Nigerian Institute of International Affairs, Victoria Island, Lagos on June 8, 1994. On the eve of the event, I got Dele Momodu, my founding Editor at Leaders & Company Ltd to confirm if Abiola would still be keeping his promise to attend the event given the tense political climate at that time. Abiola confirmed  that he would attend. On that fateful June day, Abiola showed up with Momodu and several others.

He took the Abacha regime to the cleaners, demanded his mandate to a standing ovation  and challenged the military as never before… That was to be his last public appearance as a free man. After his speech he went underground only to re-appear on June 12 at Epetedo, Lagos on the anniversary of his election to declare himself  President. The rest, as they say, is history.


For me, hosting Abiola began my collision with the Abacha regime.  And only worsened when we began publishing THISDAY on January 22, 1995. The results were my harassment, detention and exile.


I returned from exile weeks after Abacha’s death. On July 7, 1998 when I learnt then UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan, US official Susan Rice and others were in Abuja to secure Abiola’s release, I headed to Abuja.  As I alighted from the aircraft, I got a call from Peter Igbinedion, former Managing Director of FAAN who immediately said, “Hold on for Baba.” Kingibe got on the phone and asked where I was. I said I had just landed at Abuja airport. He asked that I proceed urgently to Aso Rock clinic, near the Presidential Villa. Not sensing anything I made my way to Aso Rock Clinic where I saw Kingibe and Igbinedion standing with long faces in the company of Bisi Abiola, Doyin Abiola and Lola Abiola-Edewor. I did not need to be told much.


I went into the clinic and found the covered body of Abiola  on the clinic bed and his slippers on the floor.  Kingibe took me away and told me the new Head of State wanted to see me immediately. General Abdulsalami Abubakar sat in his living room with his military and security brass – a few of whom were my tormentors a few weeks earlier -  and asked: ‘Nduka, how do we handle the media?’ I told the General, ‘There is nothing to handle! Just get on live television and tell the world everything…’. The meeting lasted a few minutes and we made our way out of the Abuja barracks  where Abdulsalami was still residing. But the impact of that day may have changed our nation for good and given us the democracy we know of today.


Clearly, several of Abdulsalami’s colleagues were in no mood to hand over power to Abiola or a democratically elected government in a short time. Abiola’s death in custody changed all that. For one it gave Abdulsalami  Abubakar the impetus to hand over power when he did on May 29, 1999, against the wishes of many of his colleagues. I tell this story as witness to history to demonstrate what I consider the nexus between Abiola’s untimely death and our Fourth Republic Democracy. And President Goodluck Jonathan was right in the circumstance to honour Abiola for his martyrdom. Many have expressed the view that whilst Abiola was deserving of honour, the name of the University of Lagos should not have been changed to Moshood Abiola University.


Now let us deal with the form and substance. Most agree with the substance of President Jonathan’s action that Abiola be honoured, but many do not agree with the form that the honour has taken; many  more would have wished more consultations. Some – especially in the Unilag community - do not just wish to give up a part of the Unilag brand for MKO Abiola.  As a collective, we have forgotten so soon the man who lost his life for Nigeria to have freedom (of choice) and keep the military in the barracks. Some even say you do not name iconic global universities like UNILAG and Harvard after individuals. Indeed Harvard University was named after John Harvard when he became that university's earliest benefactor in 1636. 


Abiola was a great benefactor to major universities in Nigeria, especially the University of Lagos to which he gave N100 million in the eighties (about N15 billion in today’s Naira). James Buchanan Duke renamed Duke University after his father Washington Duke in 1904 while Cornell University was named after historian Ezra Cornell! Harvard, Duke and Cornell are amongst the world's top ranking universities as is John Hopkins University whose name was changed from the University of Baltimore to John Hopkins University in 1876.


Or is it the first University in New York City whose name was changed from Kings College to Columbia College (and later university) after 30 years of scholarship? What about Princeton University which started out as College of New Jersey? And Yale University which also started out as The Collegiate School in 1701 and renamed 17 years later after a Welsh businessman in India, Elihu Yale?


We can go on and on… Universities are not made by names, they become global centers of research and excellence through hard work and scholarship! What we need now is to promote research and scholarship not just in the renamed Moshood Abiola University of Lagos, but in all Nigerian universities so they truly can be centres of excellence and learning. What we need now is not to betray Abiola or blight his ultimate sacrifice, but ensure that we keep his legacies alive. What we need now is not to name stadia and buildings after Abiola, because stadia do not last forever as do great centres of ideas and learning like universities. For sooner or later structures are demolished in the face of architectural advances, sporting developments, and/ or growing demands of expanding cities.


What if Onikan Stadium, Lagos was named after the late Obafemi Awolowo: will it still be fit for purpose? I also agree with the many who say Abiola is not the only icon of our democratic struggle and so should not be the only one so honoured. To them I say there are many more anniversaries ahead for fallen heroes such as Shehu Yar'Adua to be  honoured. But today is Abiola’s moment. Let us give him all his due. Imperfect as he was, he was  truly the symbol of our Fourth Republic Democracy.

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  • Gbam!!! End of story...enough details for those making so much noise about Havard and co! Thanks for the clarifications.

    From: Edmond

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • The gods have spoken end of story - Moshood Abiola University now need more facilities to enjoy this great honour.

    From: Na so

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  • shame on all the south west progressives who used this man and the events leading up to the restoration of democracy for there selfish and personal aims ..... You have all been exposed .... Lying bootlickers and conniving bastards..... Smiling with Abiola during the day and dining with Abacha at night ....

    From: Preye

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  • Good information for all, can these protesters named anyone who has given so much to education especially so called Unilag. MKO gave 100 million in the eighties to Unilag, about 15 billion today. I think it is time for the true democrats to speak up and not allow this hypocrates rubbish our struggles, insult our knowledge and history. MKO IS A TRUE HERO.

    From: din

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  • Thank you for the information, MKO donated 100 million naira to so called Unilag in the eighties i.e about 15 billion naira todays money? what a cheerfull giver , no wonder he was called Father Chrismax.

    From: oba

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  • Dear Chief Obaigbena,

    Thank God, some of the universities you cited as examples are American and not British Universities that transformed from Colleges to Universities hence the need for the change of names or renaming. We had similar experience in Nigeria with now Yaba College of Technology, University of Ibadan formerly an external college of University of London, Ahmadu Bello University .We can go on and on.

    Therefore, the issue remains that we must stop this bad habit of renaming our State/Public higher institutions after any personality no matter their contribution to the development of Nigeria. I asked this question in my earlier comment on this issue that:

    “Have we the new and overzealous generations of these our fallen heroes, ever asked ourselves why didn’t our past heroes who were often the founders/facilitators of these institutions not name them after their own heroes when they were establishing them. Or didn’t Sir Herbert Macaulay, Bishop Ajayi Crowther, Uthman dan Fodio, Jaja of Opobo, Madam Tinubu come before the likes of Chief Obafemi Awolowo, Ahmadu Bello and Dr. Azikiwe? “

    Moreover, did we consider the Tourism benefits of naming institutions after cities/towns where they are situated? The potential is to entice Tourists to come visiting these cities/towns as tourist attraction. People visit places and not individuals.

    Then how do we differentiate between government and private institutions when they are all in individuals’ names?

    While I agreed MKO should be honoured for his contribution to our Democracy like other heroes, naming higher institutions after them is completely out of it.

    From: Barr.Alaba Kokumo

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Moment of silence is needed after this read. What a great article that everyone who stands against the renaming of unilag should read. Quite a shame how people go out for battles ignorant and in the dark at times. Read and be enlightened. End of story!

    From: Nikky

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • a sound intervention by The Duke.

    From: duro afonja

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • you guys who plot and divide power and money should leave the poor students of UNILAG out of the confusion. i suggest you people write proper historical books rather than wait for this kind of occasion to tell parts of the secrets you know, however embellished. MKO equally donated to many schools, why UNILAG? you people are liquidating Nigeria's education on the altar of political expediency. The youth will NEVER forgive you people, the youth will NEVER forgive Nigeria, for making them suffer damage CONSISTENTLY for what you crazy power-mongers did! nonsense!

    From: only human

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Your last paragraph tells of the future, we will now go into a frenzy of renaming(s). you big men and so called leaders know how to prioritise all the wrong things. vanity projects is your specialty. in 20 years time, if nobody comes and cleans you guys out, all the universities will be named after every idiot, living or dead.

    From: only human

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  • God bless you sir

    From: Ali sanni

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Dear Nduka, You have written well to defend GEJ. However, I did not see you talk about the Act that establish Unilag, can we then say that by presidential pronouncement the name can be changed without amending the Act that established the university. Or are you saying we the cart should go before the ox. In my own opinion, Mr President did the right thing but breached the constitution he swore to defend. We need to build institutions and not fiefdoms. All the schools you named they are not owned by government! Oga !. Duke owned by the Methodist church, Cornell is a private university, Harvard is a private university and the same for John Hopkins. If in doubt google it!

    Let GEJ get serious please

    From: Olalekan Joshua

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Nduka, thanks for the information.

    From: Ayodele

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Nice one,sincere & honest

    From: adetowubo

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • rubbish...collective amnesia...ITT...INTERNATIONAL THIEF THIEF..NIGERIA WHEN WILL YOU STOP HONOURING THIEVES

    From: KAYBANMS

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • itt..international thief thief

    From: kaybanms

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  • History shall always vindicate our true intentions, God bless you

    From: Dr Good John

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • End of discussion from my idol Nduka. Let's honour the one who died for us to live free

    From: stella agwu bond

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Welldone Chairman, for the wonderful piece.

    From: etim

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  • This Students need more enlightment. They lack information does not know history.

    From: Teslim

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Nduka! Nduka!! Well said.

    From: Chuka

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • nice one

    From: johhn

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Excellent piece, informative and very educative. Quite a contrast with This Day's Backpage analysis, a few days ago. One can tell the men from the boys.

    The students protesting were not of age during the events of June 12. They therefore cannot appreciate the significance. No excuse for the older folks.

    Thank God this has happened at last.

    From: Thompson Iyeye

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Excellent write up by Nduka

    From: Akin

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • God bless you Nduka you have made my day. Facts are stubborn things. There is nothing to add or subtract. Your article closes the matter and should be a reference paper on the reasonability or otherwise of Unilag's name change to Moshood Abiola University. May God grant MKO Perfect Peace upstairs

    From: George Aguonye

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Nduka, thank you for coming out to shed more light on MKO's issue. Personally, naming THIS & THAT after someone has passed on means nothing to me. Just like Mandela, is been honored from S/A to UK & world over, now that he's alive to appreciate it. Mandela, fought SELFLESSLY to liberate S/A, not for him to become their leader,but fortunately he became their PRESIDENT, and he went ahead to show that SELFLESSNESS again, by leaving the office HONORABLY. Remember this, Mandela, had the MORAL & LEGAL justification to continue staying in POWER.

    God never makes a MISTAKE. However, to them saw MKO, as the messiah, you saw something in him and I think people like Fela, OBJ, IBB & their ilks, saw something too. In hindsight, the same thing that made IBB, not to handover to MKO, made OBJ, not to handover power to IBB & anyone from the old Kaduna mafia's ( na dem dem).

    If you think you know MKO or that he had the interest of the common man @ heart, I'll advice you to go & read "Interventions VI" by Prof. Patrick Wilmot's. From 1914-till date, if you show me someone with the interest of the "common man" @ heart, I'll show you someone that DESTROYED Nigeria.

    God gave African's Mandela, so that its contemporary leaders will quit their DESPERATION for power and engage in SELFLESS service.

    From: Uche

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  • Well written article from the grant master. It is a pity Nigerians forget history so soon.

    From: lukman

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Pronto! Thank you Nduka, may be one day someone will also tell us who killed him and why. Many of us take for ganted the powers our Journalist have and info available to them.

    From: cj

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Great Duke. You have spoken like the oracle. My advice to all stuents is that all students and lecturers should of the university should now demand for world class facilities that truly befit the status of MKO.

    The Soyinkas, Falans, Dele MOmodu, Tinubu were all people that staked their lives to protect this democracy.

    The nosie makers are mostly the people that were in their comfort zones during the struggle. I was a 16 year old then and I can tell vividly what the country was from the angle of a victim.

    God bless Prince Nduka, THisday and all well meaning Nigerians

    From: Kola S

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  • The oracle has spoken.

    From: Ingram Osigwe

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  • We know the story of Abiola, we know how generous he was but one thing we need to remind ourselves is; Abiola was not a regional hero, he was a national hero, all the honor that has been bestowed on him has always been in the south-west, why not name university of Abuja after him or the newly fed.university under construction? Afterall we have MM1, MM2 and Balewa square here in lagos and this man was not from this region, this is where I think the govt is getting it wrong.

    From: sunny

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • The big masquerade is out with strict facts and the many small masquerades pale into insignificance.
    Nduka, you are fully on point. I'd like to add that those who have come against the presidency for this action have betrayed their hypocrisy and disregard for history and posterity. May we remember them for their selfish and inconsistent contributions when they make demands on our polity.

    From: madu c i

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  • This has been a great read...hope all those daft Lagosians with no depth,all style and no substance have some food for thought...honour well deserved

    From: alex okudu

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  • Ok, valid arguement. The name Moshood Abiola University is almost as good as My University of Lagos. No doubt as a proud product of this Universty I still feel hurt to change a most profound and respected name ... but the man deserves it, I am an admirer of the Bashorun and emotionally remember campaigning for him in the presidential elections of 1993 not for anything else but because we believed in him and his message. He wasn't a saint and indeed had made lots of money through means I do not know, but he had a big heart and was not afraid to carry out his heart desires which in most cases touched the lives of very many Nigerians. Unfortunately I cannot say the same for the writer of this excellent article - my brother from the Niger Delta Nduka Obaigbena who has been equally blessed with riches for his hardwork but has failed in my mind to courageously use his long standing influence in the corridors of power to positively steer the affairs of this country. In reality the mere renaming of my University does nothing for the university, the students, the community, the country or even MKO himself who I believe will not be celebrating a fourth republic that has achieved next to nothing except producing a few more richer politicians!

    From: Mike D A. Becos Iaminvolved

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Well written Nduka. Thank you for this lecture.

    From: Felix Udoh

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  • No wonder you are the Publisher of Africa's largest newspaper... Thank you for this masterpiece... God bless you Nduka.

    From: kazeem

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DEDEM NDUKA, FOR THIS PROFESSIONAL INSIGHT AND ADVICE. STILL PERMIT, SIR, TO LEND MY LITTLE VOICE AS FOLLOWS:

    TO SOME, IT WOULD APPEAR M.K.O ABIOLA IS A GAME AND NOT THE IDEAL. THEY HAVE ALL USED THE NAME “ABIOLA” TO CLIMB THE SWEET LADDER OF EDUCATIONAL, POLITICAL AND THE CONSEQUENT ECONOMIC PROMINENCE AS EX-THIS, EX-THAT, AND, SOME ARE PRESENTLY “THIS” AND “THAT”, ALL COURTESY OF THE NAME “ABIOLA”. IN FACT IT IS AN UNWRITTEN LAW THAT IN ABIOLA’S WESTERN NIGERIA, ONE BECOMES ANYTHING ONLY AFTER HAVING BEING SEEN AS A JUNE 12TER. NOW, HOW COME THE NAME ABIOLA HAS BECOME UNWELCOME IN LAGOS EXCEPT IN ABUJA OR ELSEWHERE. HERE LIES THE USAGE OF “ABIOLA” AS A GAME.

    NOW WHEN ABIOLA IS HONOURED WITH HIS NAME ON WHAT USED TO BE UNILAG, THEY SAY NO, “THE NAME “UNILAG” IS SO SWEET THAT WE CANNOT SACRIFICE IT FOR ABIOLA OR PREFER ABIOLA TO IT”. IN THIS INFAMY OF UNMITIGATED INGRATITUDE TO ABIOLA’S SACRIFICE, LEGACY AND MEMORY, HIS NOW EXPOSED REAL OPPONENTS INVENT ONE SPOROUS REASON AFTER ANOTHER. BUT LET’S SEE THE REASONS:

    1) “UNILAG IS A BRAND”. I AM NOT AWARE THAT UNILAG IS A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY. IT IS A FULLY OWNED FEDERAL GOVT UNIVERSITY. THE OWNER OF THE BRAND, FEDERAL GOVT, HAS DECIDED TO CHANGE ITS BRAND. IT IS ABSURD THAT THE WORKERS (LECTURERS) AND CONSUMERS (STUDENTS) SHOULD DICTATE HOW THE OWNER OF THE ENTERPRISE PREFERS HIS BRAND.

    2) “THIS CHANGE IS AN ABERRATION”. THIS IS A BLATANT LIE. HARVARD UNIVERSITY WHICH WAS RENAMED AFTER JOHN HARVARD BORE A DIFFERENT NAME BEFORE IT BECAME “HARVARD”.

    3) “THE LAW WAS NOT FIRST AMENDED”. UNIVERSITY OF UYO WAS RENAMED TO WHAT IT IS TODAY 9 YEARS AGO. IT IS ONLY 3 MONTHS AGO THAT A BILL WAS SENT TO THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLE FOR REGULARIZATION OF THE LEGAL INSTRUMENT ESTABLISHING THE SCHOOL. SOME OF THE POLITICIANS AIDING THIS PROTEST HAVE CHILDREN/RELATIONS THAT HAVE GRADUATED FROM UNIUYO.

    4) THE MOST BLATANT INFAMY BEING DONE ABIOLA’S LEGACY BY THOSE WHO ARE THE BENEFICIARIES OF ABIOLA’S SACRIFICE IS “ABIOLA IS MORE KNOWN IN SPORTS, WHY CAN’T ANY OF THE STADIA BE NAMED AFTER HIM”. THE TRUTH IS THAT ABIOLA CONTRIBUTED TO THE EDUCATION SYSTEM MORE THAN ANY NIGERIAN DEAD OR ALIVE. IN FACT HE ENDOWED 3 CHAIRS AT MOSHOOD ABIOLA UNIVERSITY (FORMERLY, UNILAG). FAMILY MEMBERS OF THESE MISGUIDED STUDENTS READ “ABIOLA DICTIONARY” WHICH THE CHIEF HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED AT A TIME NAIRA DEVALUATION BY SAP MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR MANY PARENTS TO BUY FOREIGN PRINTS FOR THEIR CHILDREN.

    SO IT IS AN ACT OF CALLOUS INGRATITUDE TO SAY, MEAN OR SUGGEST THAT ABIOLA’S SACRIFICE TO EDUCATION AND NIGERIA IS TOO INFRADIG TO MERIT RENAMING THE FORMER UNILAG AFTER HIM.

    MY ADVICE TO MAU STUDENTS IS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BECAUSE “UNILAG IS SWEET NAME” ALLOW POLITICIANS WHO HAVE STARTED THE RACE FOR 2015 TO USE THEM TO UPGRADE THEIR C/V WHICH IS ONLY – “JONATHAN IS NOT VISIONARY, JONATHAN IS NOT PERFORMING”. FOR THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO CAN ONLY JUDGE JONATHAN BASED ON THE SPACE HE WAS GIVEN AND ALLOWED TO PERFORM.

    From: Okey

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Am so sure President Jonathan called you to Aso rock this week, asking you the same question,'Nduka how do we handle the Media' and as usual you came with this wonderful piece.

    From: Leke

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • This is vintage. It really hurt that anybody could, at this point of even belated honour, attempt to diminish MKO and his sacrifice just to sustain the unslaught on Jonathan as per the ungovernability agenda

    From: Fred Edoreh

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • This is intellectual fraud. What is the justification in replacing one brand with the other, when both are needed. Why not create a new institution and and make it a centre of excellence and name it after him. We will soon run out existing structure to name after people, perhaps then, we will start building new ones. Shame!

    From: Park

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • The University board / Senate should have a say in matters such as this given that the country is supposedly meant to be a democratic one and not just a unilateral decision by a President. In regards to the example you gave about Harvard and Hopkins.....these Men where benefactors of the private universities hence the name change. There are many federal schools abroad bearing names based on location and not iconic heros! That list is endless.

    From: Tomi

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • The Duke, I do not expect less. Do however complete the history by telling us how many of those renaming or naming recorded protests or resistance and what was the government response.

    From: kay

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Thanks The Duke, thats a nice piece.

    From: Giorgio Okafor

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • well said sir, we all know that the critics against honouring mko are those who benefited from his death. it is a shame to Tinubu and his cohorts.the president has done the right thing

    From: olumide fafore

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Nduka, thank you for helping out with this one. History will be kind to all those who deserve it. And perhaps, you should write more often.

    From: Adedayo ojo

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Thank you Nduka for this piece which will forever shut those Nigerians who know but want to belittle our great MKO up. While I may forgive the protesting students, because most of them were not born or were still in their diapers when MKO paid the supreme price, I say shame to others, the Unilag professors, lecturers and others who think they know Harvard University more than those who built it. Some say President Jonathan's decision has downgraded Unilag, how? Where is Unilag in the place of world history when MKO is mentioned. MKO got 'presidential' treatment everywhere he went around the world long before he ever contested the 1993 elections. Unilag which benefited massively from MKO's benevolence and philanthropy should apologise to MKO so that they can make progress and help effect changes in our fast retrogressing country

    From: Patrick Omorodion

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • yes I love this piece, are they real students protesting or just cultists, attention seekers and half prostitutes??
    progressive students from those days had real causes to protest against,..how about protesting against the devastating corruption, decadent infrastructure,..

    From: yomi akintobi

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • God bless Nduka Obaigbena for this intervention, as you honour the memory of Abiola with this well written piece, Allah will continuosly honour you all the day of your life,amen

    From: Otunba Adedoyin Banjo

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Nigerians are too gullible to be classified as human beings. Anyone listening to Nduka Obiagbena needs to have their head examined.

    From: Jamel Omar

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Will it be out of place to build a research centre in Abuja and name it MKO Abiola Institute for Democratic Studies? I believe this centre will promote research and help institutionalize democracy in Nigeria instead of museum of former heads of state.

    From: Cally

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • President Jonathan has done well and must be commended for the honour on Abiola, no matter the protests in certain quarters. The manner in which he does it can however be questioned. He is the leader of Nigerian people. He must be ready to take positive criticism.

    On Unilag students’ protest, can we say that the sudden nature of the announcement (the VC was neither consulted nor informed, let alone the entire community!) partly responsible for the way the students (and others) reacted? Can we say that the timing too was wrong given that the school was still mourning their former VC who passed away less than 3 weeks before the announcement? Can we say we do not know what people of their ages are capable of doing? How do we think their colleagues in UNN, UniJos, Uniport, UniIbadan, UniOxford, UniCambridge, Uni London or Yale University, Havard University and Duke University (some of them were used in your reference) if they all hear of such announcement on the television, the same day and time when Unilag name was changed by Mr President? Would we have heard of Occupy this and that in other cities too? My instincts tell me so.

    However, after going through your piece, I observed that in all the references you quoted to convince us that renaming of a public institution is not peculiar to Nigeria, I found out that the last renaming exercise took place in 1904. Just 108 years ago. Abi? You may refer to your quotation again: Duke University (1904), Cornell University (not given, but which year?), John Hopkins University (1876), Harvard University (1636), Columbia University (not given, but which year?), Princeton University (not given, but which year?). Are we then embarking on a practice long left by other countries of the world? I mean has the world moved on and abandoned such a practice? Your article did not delve into the process that led into renaming those institutions. We could have likened it to the ones we do here, with the last being Unilag. I would thus like to refer you to what's happening in the UK today, 3 June, 2012. It is on renaming of Big Ben Clock Tower as Elizabeth Tower: Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2153553/Majority-MPs-renaming-Big-Ben-Clock-Tower-Elizabeth-Tower-Jubilee.html#ixzz1wiZRRirr

    The new world is about participatory democracy. Consultation is an effective way to ensure buy in. Public office holders should always realise that they are just custodian of the offices they hold, they must carry people their subjects along.

    This is what some others are really saying, they see beyong Unilag and would not want similar things to happen again tomorrow elsewhere be it Auchi, Ibadan, Birni Kebbi, Kotangora, Ikot Epene or wherever! Their cries are to also let all of us realise that we cannot be conducting our public lives in the ways some people did and abandoned more than 200 years ago. The protest is not on Mr President. We commend him for him for his honour on Abiola.

    From: Ola Wahab

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Hope everybody will see leke's comment.I have said it times without number that the only problem we have in nigeria is CONFLICT OF INTEREST.Many thanks for defending Mr president.It is rather sad and unfortunate that in 21st century we have a president that is struggling to do the right thing but doing thing right. think there is a different btw the two....weep for motherland

    From: gabriel

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • GEJ got you all in tail spin now. Enough distraction for a while before we get back to the subsidy palaver, if there is still enough energy to trail that story. Any which way, dissent is a key ingredient of democracy. I sympathize with proponents on both sides of the divide. I attended Bendel State University. It is now Ambrose Ali University. I did post-graduate studies in University of Lagos. it is now Moshood Abiola University. Who is after me OR just how lucky can I possibly be ?

    From: Ed Lawani

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • They protestations are based on more deeply-seated issues than the current rhetorics being bandied about. Though the press are reasonably 'gagged' from speaking it, but to those old enough to remember, MKO Abiola's name is more associated with 'ITT' which depicts CORRUPTION, than his later-day benevolence. Let's call a spade a spade: how much corruption was associated with John Hopkins? Hazard? Yale? Or even Mandela?

    Nduka, though your piece made for a beautiful reading which is why I call you 'The Czar' of Nigerian Journalism, you certainly told us the embellished part of Abiola's personality. Suffice it say that you were economical with the truth which is anti-ThisDay policy. Like the military may I ask you, how do we handle the truth?

    May I also submit that even if Abiola was to have a university named after him, it should be The Islamyya University in either Katsina or Zamfara. Why, you ask: he insulted the sensibilities of Nigerians, and the True God of the Christian faith by being, and till today, the only one among the politicians that had little or no respect for the religious equation in the country. He dared Gid by presenting a Muslim-Muslim tick for the presidential elections in 1993, and nobody dares God, and gets free. Abiola dared the God of the Christians, and He proved to him the horses might be prepared for the day of battle, BUT VICTORY IS OF THE LORD. God allowed him to hear and see the winning numbers, but denied him the victory. IBB was just a vessel unto (dis)honour.

    From: Cyril

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Tribal sentiment is the problem of the Yorubas, just because MKO Abiola is not from lagos ,they wouldn't want there University to be renamed

    From: Obiebere

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Quite an informative piece. Yes, GEJ went about it wrongly. But, Abiola deserves the honour without doubt. UNIFE was renamed after Awolowo and the British are working on renaming the famous Big Ben tower after the Queen.
    Let there be peace. UNILAG is now Moshood Abiola University, period.

    From: Hussein Abdur-Razzaq

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Thanks Nduka for I now know d history I dont know before.
    All president Jonathan did was given honour 2 whom honour
    is due.
    Haters grow up pls

    From: Viven Chibugo

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Shame on you people , YORUBAS

    From: Obiebere

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Thank you. I ve learnt alot from this write up. Abiola truly deserves the honour. I hate it when we politicize everything in this country.

    From: Nkeonyeasua

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Unilag is too small to honor our beloved late Bashorun MKO. He need to be honored more. I don't blame students of the former Unilag that when on rampage. Why will I, when most of them were still kids in primary schools when our beloved hero died. I learnt education start begins from home, present MAU students need to be educate more about who is MKO, how generous he is to their University and other universities in Nigeria and Africa, how he use his wealth to eradicate poverty in peoples lives, his contribution to Sports , Religion, Journalism, Music , Small and Medium Scale Entrepreneurship and not to forget Health sector among all. I plead with our elders, not only to discuss about MKO Abiola to the young ones especially the MAU students but to Preach the Good News about the love of Abiola my Hero to the Masses. We should also know that Schools names don't matters but what we achieve at the school and after Matters a lot . My beloved Publisher of This Day Newspaper thanks for educating some of us on your Publication and May God continue to Strengthen you and I'm highly happy God gave you the best opportunity to settle your differences with our beloved Chief MKO before his death. One love

    From: Solomon Bamidele Junior from Vietnam

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Your thoughtfulness on the matter has revealed that some of the 'elites' opposed to the honor are doing so to retain relevance since President Jonathan took them unaware.This group of people want to be seen as having fought for the recognition & God did it through Jonathan.Well done Presido!

    From: Y Tee,Jos.

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Personally the only valid quality I appreciate in the story about Abiora eligibility martyrdom. The 100million he donated would have been better used to fix our telephone.

    From: ifeanyi

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Well said...nothing to add to this brilliant piece. M.K. O deserved to be honoured for his sacrifice...

    From: Hakeem Kehinde

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Unilag is too small to honor our beloved late Bashorun MKO. He need to be honored more. I don't blame students of the former Unilag that went on rampage. Why will I, when most of them were still kids in primary schools when our beloved hero died. I learnt education begins from home, Present MAU students need to be educate more about who is MKO, how generous he is to their University and other universities in Nigeria and Africa, how he use his wealth to eradicate poverty in peoples lives, his contribution to Sports , Religion, Journalism, Music , Small and Medium Scale Entriprenuers and not to forget Health sector among all. I plead with our elders, not only to discuss about MKO Abiola to the young ones especially the MAU students but to Peach the Good News about the love of Abiola my Hero to the Masses. We should also know that Schools names don't matters but what we achieved at the school and after school Matters a lot . My beloved Publisher of This Day Newspaper thanks for educating some of us on your Publication and May God continue to Strengthen you and I'm highly happy God gave you the best opportunity to settle your differences with our beloved Chief MKO before his death. One love

    From: Solomon Bamidele Junior from Vietnam

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Good work Nduka,this piece should serves as lesson to our so called billionaire in the country.Upon all the billions they have,none of them is has benevolent as Abiola when he was alive! I could remember when University of Ibadan was celebrating one of her years,can't remember whether it was 50yrs or so then we were having 18 Federal Universities in the country then.This man (Abiola) announced a donation of one million naira each to all the 18 Federal universities!Look at them today some of them that benefitted from such gestures what they are doing with our money.Can anybody tells me which aspect of humanities Abiola did not touch?Directly or indirectly we benefitted from his kind gesture.Am not saying he was perfect,but he could decide to keep his wealth to him self but he didn't. Not only his geopolitical zone he touched but across Nigeria?Though I was a teenager during that period.Infact what surprises me most is that, it's the people that are giving testimony that Abiola did this Abiola did that.Afterall, he is no more! Whether we like it or not Abiola was a great man and that name we live forever.As for the students,they are unserious element.Where were they when Abiola was alive.Am sure most of them were still in the craddle.Now, they have succeeded in using their stupidities to prolong their stay in school.What has change of name as to do with your academic program.Just wait till you enter the labour market,may be you will learn then.What a misplaced priority

    From: dayji

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • OGA NDUKA AND OKEY WELL DONE!!! TRUTH IS SCARCE IN THIS COUNTRY BUT SELFISHNESS ABOUNDS

    From: JOHN IKECHUKWU

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Well written Nduka,i think if most of the students knows what Abiola did for the universities in the country they won't have come out to protest the renaming of unilag after him.Though i was young but i heard and have read stories about what he did,i think what the president did by renaming unilag is long over due and well deserved.

    From: Morakinyo Femi

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • The second Honor for the great MKO of Africa. God bless you, sir!

    From: BigTin

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Czar, this is a classic cum masterpiece. I just picked up a copy for my private library. God bless you and your family. Doff your hat you largest Mozart

    From: Dapo

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • This is one of thse events that every well thinking Nigeria should praise GEJ for.

    From: Kevin Chinaka

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Excellent piece. Not without a few faults but contains valid points which would be important to consider. However in a democracy, a referendum is held over important matters like this with those for and against putting forward their reasons. Unfortunately,the leadership in Nigeria thrives in the people's ignorance of their rights or are oblivious of what is right or both! Well done Nduka again.

    From: Uche nnamdi

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • As an alumnus of Unilag its a bit hard to accept the change of name but an objective analysis of the political life of MKO will clearly show that he deserve the honour. I know a lot of people would want to associate Abiola with sports but those who knew him would agree that he transcended sports. He was everywhere - sports, religion, education - name it he was there. As an undergraduate at UNILAG in the mid eighties (84 to 87) I remember he delivered an inaugural lecture at the arts theater sometimes in 1986 and he was extremely brilliant. Inaugural lectures are mostly reserved for top class academicians.

    I am of the opinion that our focus should be on how to leverage on the name to attract more funding for the university especially as the president has promised to establish an Institute for political studies. Abiola was an accountant and I believe the great department of accounting ( I am an Alumnus) could also leverage on this to attract more funding to further the development of the department.

    In summary sentiments apart, it will not be true to state that Abiola was just an ordinary politician or a sports person. He also contributed immensely to the development of education in the country and Unilag was a beneficiary even if not the only one.

    From: Ola hammed

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Sir, It's a nice one.

    I have no problem with it, Abiola surely deserves more than that.

    However, You did not address the question of how. "...many more would have wished more consultations." Courtesy demands that the leadership of the institution, at least, should be pre-informed. It's shouldn't be that they heard about it on TV broadcast for the 1st time.

    From: Deji

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Just because Abiola sponsored your opponent to become a senator in 1991, you went all out to join Nzeribe and the Babangida cohorts to deny Nigerians the benefit of their chosen President in 1993. This same man was at your wedding in 1987 to show that he has no personal grudge against you. Rather than finding out why he has chosen to sponsor an opponent against you, you decided that it is your turn to pay him back. What if your opponent is better than you are or closer to him than you? We know your history, how you made a lot of money from Babangida and the likes for supporting the annulment of that monumental mandate. I still remember vividly your comments on CNN in 1993 when the election was annulled that there was no election let alone having a winner. Whatever you are saying now is just an after-thought. the fact remains that you are an ENEMY to Abiola. For your part in the infamous ABN, i have refused to buy your paper and NEVER will i buy it for anything. Leave whatever anyone says or does about the decision to honour Abiola, it is not for you to make comments because you are not qualified.

    From: Biodun

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Will a rose smell as nice if it is called lemon? The renaming is a done deal. The act will now be amended to reflect it. Let us not get engaged in some primitive arguments and name calling. Mr President should please turn his attention to the most pressing issues of today. Nigeria is sinking while we are busy debating the trifling issue of name change

    From: Philemon Adjekuko

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Hope everybody will see leke's comment.I have said it times without number that the only problem we have in nigeria is CONFLICT OF INTEREST.Many thanks for defending Mr president.It is rather sad and unfortunate that in 21st century we have a president that is struggling to do the right thing but doing thing right. think there is a different btw the two....weep for motherland

    From: gabriel

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Several versions of who was MKO and for what he struggled abound, with all of them conflicting. We're yet to know the truth of whether the man deserves any national honour at all.

    From: Musa Azare

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Congratulations to Nduka Obaigbena for reliving an encounter with MKO Abiola, subsequent transformation of Abiola and decision to fight for the presidency in a morally broken society. I don't have grudge for the renaming of University of Lagos, but at the same time I will not grudge those who are opposed to it, their inalienable right to dissent. There is evidence of a struggle about a difference of value between the argument of those who support the changing of the institution's name and the argument of those who are against it, that raises the issue of value proposition in ethics. The argument raises a danger flag about what value proposition Nigeria believes in and that of the president. The value proposition will be in the country's constitution. It raises a question: Does the president serves the people or the people serve the president? If the president was voted to serve the people and he wants to do something that he needs to gain the support of the people, he will need to consult with the people or be sure that he is not working in the opposite direction against the people's wish. In this case, the University of Lagos community is where the people that the government represented by the president needs their support reside. For it to do what it wishes to do with the institution, it has to gain the support of the community. From the spontaneous reaction that has attended the government's change of name of the institution, it can be seen that the government has not gained the support to do what he has done with the institution. If MKO Abiola wants to be honored as a symbol of democracy, his name shouldn't be used to crush the essence of democracy. It is not about how much he donated to the institution when he was alive or how much he gave out to the poor. It is that as a society, we must have a value, not ingrained on how much you have or have spent or what you have to gain or what people will say about us. It is about doing business, based on a conduct of morality that we have all agreed upon. My worry about Nigeria is that we sweep issues under the carpet, instead of debating them to arrive at a just and humane agreement. I will not be surprised that this one too will be swept under the carpet for government to have its way. This is not democracy, but autocracy. The way Nigeria goes about her democracy will not undo the moral brokeness of the nation, but further its dangerous end results of corruption, which will provide jobs for millions of EFCC's type of organization.

    From: ABIODUN GIWA

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Dear Sir,
    It is quite touching to note that you made up with the late Chief Abiola before he died. I recollect your fierce opposition to the June 12 election on TV a few days before the annulment. Coming back to your write up, it was an excellent piece of work and I hope all and sundry express maturity in this matter

    From: Felix I

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Kudos to the Duke. This may sound as joke but it is not. One MAULAG female undergraduate on a TV station in Lagos (name withheld) was asked about her reaction to the change of name of her University. Hear her response " Its not fair. I mean as in good. Imagine I told my friends in UK I was in UNILAG. Now I am going to graduate from MAULAG. Honestly its not fair . Let them change it o!" This was her only reason for joining the protest. Embarrassing to say the least.

    From: Dera Nnadi

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Duke, thank you!
    You have spoken the minds of those who knew Abiola even from far like myself.
    These unruly students of MAU/UNILAG never knew MKO and probably never his sacrifice for democracy and Nigeria as a Country.

    Truth is like a flowing stream, starve of it of the source and it would dry up. To those who are opposed to this honour, Let me ask them these questions.
    How many Nigerians in the status of Abiola would agree to remain in Jail for years even when the option of renunciation of June 12 mandate was offered by the then Military authorities?

    You should have also enlightened those student and their sponsors that MKO objected to any form of violence when some of his supporters wanted a Commando Raid to free him.

    There were many Millionaires in Abiolas time, how many donated to the society as he did?

    The questions are endless. MKO paid a supreme price, that's why the likes of David Mark are in the senate today enjoying the fruits of his sacrifice.

    Naming UNILAG after MKO to me may even be too small a reward to his memory but we need to start somewhere.

    From: JOHN KING E.

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • i have a new level of respect for this writer...masterpiece...i tell you !!!

    From: dele

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • The fact that these ppl had the guts to block Third Mainland it's because Abiola died for their freedom somewhat...I'm disappointed in Wole Soyinka..Nduka well done! The name shld be changed immediately...in fact GEJ is so soft and weak.

    From: Kelechi

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • @Jamel Omar you sound Intellectually diminutive - Interpreting an orange to be an apple is educatedly obfuscating at best.

    From: Nani

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • @Jamel Omar you sound Intellectually diminutive - Interpreting an orange to be an apple is educatedly obfuscating at best.

    From: Nani

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • A delightful journey in journalistic excellence. A nice piece.

    From: Aik

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Nduka has always being a government agent, I see Jonathan voice in this piece.

    From: Andrew

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Very informative, precise and aptly put together by one our living guru in journalism.

    From: leke ewumi

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • I recommend this script for all sensible and right thinking Nigerians, who are benefiting from the fourth republic and dose not know the source. I ve taken time to read all comments so far. My question! Where were they between Nov '94 to June '08? Hypocrites!

    From: Raji Kolawole

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Disappointing piece I should say, Nduka showed us clearly that he wasn't on the Abiola side after the election, he apparently had a grudge against the MKO and was only cleared when they saw each other. Now you come here talking to us like he had been your Hero.
    This article I should say has remained one sided and has failed to deeply discuss the non-democratic approach to which the decision to change the university name was made. You are only on the side of the government Nduka....Thanks for relieving.

    From: Truth

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • After all, University of Lagos still appears in Moshood Abiola University of Lagos. It is therefore a way of killing 2 birds with one stone. MKO truly deserves this and more for his philanthropy and ultimate sacrifice

    From: Victor Olowogorioye

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • The Truth is that M.K.O Abiola was a Criminal And An Enemy Of Nigeria, He was After A Personal Vendatta and not The Well Being Of Nigerians.A lot of Criminals Have Donated Millions To Institutions Of Learning, That Does Not Make Them Heroes.The Late Great Chief Obafemi Awolowo Cursed MKO, And Unilag Is Cursed, because AWO's Curse Follows That Name M.K.O Everywhere .

    From: Obinna

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • The change in the name of the university is not the problem but the fact that the government is majoring on the minor and minoring on the major. Our nation and government is just been faced with a misplaced priority problem, the nation is been plagued with different problems ranging from unemployment, corruption and the rest.President GEJ should face why is was voted in and be used as a tool to trigger what he can't bargain for,our youths are tired of been jobless with their masters degree from reputable schools home and abroad.The polytechnic in Abeokuta is still where it is after the name was changed,nothing as changed for the better rather cult boys has been on the increase causing chaos every time.

    From: kingsley

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Of course y not be a yes man? But the question that needs to be asked is
    is it legal to change name without following some judicial process? Can u change ur name from nduka to maul without going to court? So if we cannot why should johnathan think he can do that afterall he is just our representative. Being president is not his birthright. The difference between Nigeria and other successful countries is lack of vision on the part of our leaders. vision to preserve our institutions for the next unborn generation. If u want to honor MKO fine national stadium is there or print money and put his picture on it but do downgrade our uni to make a point that is political. jthe revolution is coming and Nduka ur blood will be spilled cos our generation is tired of u ppl making life miserable for us


    Inception Ending Explained
    Published on July 19th, 2010
    Written by: Kofi Outlaw
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    While we have an Inception review where you can leave comments, we’ve set up this page as a place where you can discuss the Inception ending and other spoilers without worrying about ruining the movie for folks who haven’t seen it yet.

    To help steer discussion we’ve added a lengthy analysis of Inception (especially the ending) and explained why our analysis of the film fits with the story Christopher Nolan intended to tell.

    Does our Inception explanation match your theory? Find out!

    Many people walked away from Inception impressed. Some were confused, some were even feeling like they had their brains woken by the most exciting and thought-provoking movie experience to come along all year.

    I realize that most people who saw Inception have already made up their minds about what they perceived the film to be (and Nolan will undoubtedly be proud of that). However, for those of you still looking for an Inception explanation, we like to offer a few thoughts.

    We’ve organized things by category for you, in case you’re more interested in one facet of the film than another. If you want to read about specific points you can follow the links below:

    The Rules of the Dream World (this page)
    The characters and their functions
    Inception Ending Explained
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    The Rules


    So, the first thing to talk about are the rules of the dream world Nolan created for the film. With all the action that happened onscreen, it was easy to forget some of the finer details – but once the lights came up, and people had time to think, I know the question of who was dreaming which dreams certainly came up (among others questions as well).

    Remember the basic premise: Cobb (the extractor) and his team are con artists, and like any con artists their job is to construct a false reality and manipulate it in order to confuse and/or fool a mark (in this case industrialist Robert Fischer, played by Cillian Murphy). Nolan takes the classic concept of a con man a step further by making Cobb and his team dream thieves, but in the end, the basic concept is still your classic con/heist movie.

    Dream Levels and Dream Time

    Nolan throws a lot of fancy math at you but it’s all really inconsequential. All you need to really know are the basic concepts:

    The dream within a dream process puts you into a deeper state of dreaming. The deeper you go, the further removed your mind is from reality. We all know what that’s like: the deeper you sleep, the harder it is to be woken up and the more vivid and real-feeling a dream becomes. If you’re in a deep enough sleep, not even the usual physical ques to wake up effect you, such as the sensation of falling (“the kick”) or even, say, having to go to the bathroom.



    By the time you reach the Limbo state it can be so difficult to wake, and the dream can feel so vividly real, that the mind stops trying to wake at all – the mind accepts the dream as its reality, like slipping into a coma.

    When you wake up in Limbo you don’t remember that there is such a thing as a “real world” – as in any dream, you wake up in the middle of  a scene and simply accept it for what it is. Breaking yourself out of this cycle is extremely difficult, which is why Cobb and his wife Mal were trapped in Limbo for what seemed like decades.

    Time is the other factor. The deeper you go into a dream state, the faster your mind is able to imagine and perceive things within that dream state. We’re told the increase is exponential, so going deeper into dreams turns minutes into hours, into days, into years. This is why Cobb and his team are able to pull off the Fischer job while the van is still falling through the air, before the soldiers break into the snow fortress, before Arthur rigs the elevator, and all within the span of a flight from Sydney Australia to LA.



    In Limbo, the mind works so fast that actual minutes can be interpreted as years gone by. When Saito “dies” from the gunshot wound he received on level 1 of the dream, his mind falls into Limbo, and Saito remains there for the minutes it takes Cobb and Ariadne (Ellen Page) to follow him into Limbo – those minutes in one dream state feel like decades to Saito in his Limbo state.  By the time Cobb deals with expelling Mal’s “shadow” from his subconscious, Saito has begun to perceive himself as an old man.

    Mal’s shadow stabs Cobb during the film’s climax, which throws Cobb back out into Limbo and onto the shores of Saito’s limbo house. When Cobb has to “wake” again in Limbo, his mind is muddled just like old man Saito’s brain. Through Saito’s memory of Cobb’s totem and some shared dialogue that included key trigger phrases – “Leap of faith,” “Old man full of regret, waiting to die alone,” etc. – Cobb and Saito are able to remember the meaningful conversations they had and that there is a reality they existed in before Limbo, where both of them had deep desires still waiting to be fulfilled (Cobb and his kids, Saito and his business). Once they remember that limbo is limbo,  they are able to wake themselves up (likely with a gunshot to the head).

    Continue to the characters and their functions…

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    The Players


    The Extractor – The extractor is a master con man, a person who knows how to manipulate a dreaming mark into revealing their deepest mental secrets. At heart, an extractor is a classic con man – he creates a false set of circumstances that manipulate the mark into revealing his secrets. Cobb (Leo DiCaprio) uses the same type of con man repertoire as George Clooney in Oceans 11 – only Cobb knows how to literally do his work on a subconscious level. Fancy premise aside though, the extractor (as I said) is basically your classic con man.

    The Architect – The architect is the designer of the dream constructs into which an extractor brings a “mark.” Think of an architect as a video game designer, except in this case they create the “levels” within a dream, complete with all the aesthetic and tactile details. The mark (also known as “the subject”) is brought into that dream construct and fills it with details from their own subconscious and memories, which convince the mark that the dream the architect built is real – or at the very least, is the mark’s own dream.

    The architect can manipulate real world architecture and physics in order to create paradoxes like an endless staircase, which makes the dream world function as a sort of maze. The dream is constructed as a maze so that A) The mark doesn’t reach the edge of the maze, realizing that they are in an imaginary place. B) So the mark runs the maze, leading the extractor toward “the cheese” – i.e.,  mental secrets the mark is protecting.



    The Dreamer – The architect and the dreamer are not always the same person. The architect designs the dream world/maze and can then teach that maze to a separate dreamer. The dreamer is the person whose mind actually houses the dream and it is the dreamer’s mind that the subject/mark is ultimately brought into in order to to be conned by the extractor. The dreamer allows the mark to fill their mind with the mark’s subconscious, and unless the dreamer maintains the stability of the dream, the mark’s subconscious will realize it’s been invaded by foreign mind(s) and will try to locate and eliminate the dreamer to free itself.

    When you start getting into the whole dream within a dream aspect of the movie, identifying the dreamer can be tricky – this is especially true when Cobb and his team start running their con on Fischer using three separate levels of dreaming. Once the tri-level dream sequence starts, one good way to keep track of the dreamers is by noticing which team member stays awake and doesn’t follow the team down to the next level of dreaming – a dreamer can’t enter a lower dream state, otherwise their level of the dream would end.

    Here’s a rundown of who is actually dreaming each level of the Fischer con:

    The rainy city – Yusuf the chemist (Dileep Rao) is dreaming this level. Yusuf is drinking a lot of champagne in the “real world” on the plane, so when he goes to sleep he has to pee (hence the rainfall). Since Yusuf is the dreamer of level 1, he has to stay in that level of the dream, hence why he has to drive the van.
    The hotel – Arthur (Joseph Gordon Levitt) dreams the hotel, which is why he has to stay awake when the rest of the team goes down to the snow level. When the van Yusuf is driving goes off the bridge and is flying through the air, Aurthur’s “body” is suspended in air, which is why gravity in the hotel level of the dream goes haywire – as the dreamer’s body is shifted and moved, it effects the physics of the dream he’s dreaming, since the mind (and inner-ear) is registering the change in gravity.
    The snow fortress – Eames the “forger” (Tom hardy) is dreaming this level of the dream. A question has been raised about why the gravity in the snow world doesn’t go haywire when Eames’ body starts floating in the zer0-gravity hotel. Well, you could say that Eames’ body isn’t being shook up or shifted in any way his mind (or inner-ear) would actively register or that being so deep in a dream state cushioned Eames from the effect of gravity. Or, you could say that it’s a glaring plot hole. Truthfully, it’s questionable.
    Limbo – Limbo is actually unconstructed  dream space – a place of raw (and random) subconscious impulse. Ariadne drops a line early on about the fact that the extractor team can bring elements of their own subconscious into the dream levels if they’re not careful, and since Cobb has spent time in Limbo and has a raging subconscious, the Limbo space they enter includes his memory of the city he and Mal built for themselves.
    If you’re more of a visual person, Cinema Blend has put together a handy graphic detailing the different levels featured in Inception:



    The Mark – The mark (Cillain Murphy) is the person who the extractor and his team are trying to con. The mark is brought into the mind of the dreamer, and since the mark is unaware that he/she is dreaming, they perceive the dreamer’s world as real while simultaneously making it feel real to themselves by filling it with details and secrets from their own subconscious. The extractor uses those details and various mental prompts  to steer the mark through the dream world maze, towards the mental secrets the extractor wants to steal.

    As stated, the mark thinks he is still awake, perceives the dream world as real and reinforces that notion by “projecting” his conscious view of the world onto the dream – this is why projection people populate the dream cities, etc. Because of the extractor’s manipulations, the mark goes along with the faux reality of dream, ultimately reaching the point where they either realize it’s a dream, or open their mind and reveal their secrets.

    Projections – Dreams feel real to us when we’re dreaming and part of the reason for that is our mind’s ability to construct  a faux real-world setting for us to interact with in dreams. Often, that dream is something like a city or any populated area which has other people walking around it.  In Inception, those people that the unknowing mark populates the dream world with are known as “projections.”

    As is explained in the film, projections are not part of the mark’s mind – they are manifestations of the mark’s vision of reality. If a mark has been trained to defend themselves against extractors, they have a part of their subconscious which is always on guard against mind-crime in the form of militarized security which attack mind invaders. In Cobb’s case, Mal (“the shade”) is a projection based on his need to remember his dead wife. Mal wanted Cobb back in limbo – his own subconscious trying to pull him back to a place where he could “be with her.”



    The Forger – As in “forgery,” Eames (Tom Hardy) is a master of imitating people’s handwriting, mannerisms – and in the dream world, even their very appearance.  This is key to Cobb’s plan: on dream level 1 (the rainy city) Eames impersonates Peter Browning (Tom Berenger), Robert Fischer’s closest advisor.

    Using Browning’s image, Eames subtly suggests things to Fischer that fools Fischer into creating his own subconscious version of Browning (seen in dream level 2, the hotel). The version of Browning Fischer conjures in his subconscious motivates him to run deeper into Cobb’s maze (dream level 3, the snow fortress) in order to find “the cheese” – i.e., the inception of the idea Saito wanted Cobb to plant. Basically, the Forger fools Fischer into using his own subconscious projections against himself.



    Mal (and her shadow) – Mal is the character who acts as a vessel for all the more complex notions and questions about reality the film raises. Mal not only thought but felt that the world she and Cobb had built in limbo was real – it fed her emotionally and made her happy. When Cobb planted the idea that “Your world is not real” in her mind, he only meant for it to wake her from limbo. Instead, what he actually did by allowing that idea to take root in her mind was to destroy that sense of fulfillment and connection she once had – and once it was destroyed, it couldn’t be repaired.

    Even with her husband and children all back together, Mal couldn’t access that emotional reality that comes with the bond of love and connection to our love ones. Because of inception, Mal couldn’t value love or connection the same way because a fake reality only offered fake connections and emotions – only she and Cobb and their love was real to her anymore. She needed to keep trying to reach some higher state where the nagging doubt would be cured and she could be happy again. And so, thinking Cobb lost in a faux reality, she arranged the hotel suicide and murder implication in order to force Cobb to follow her. The idea Cobb implanted in her led her to her death (seemingly), and the guilt of that act led Cobb to create a shadow of her in his subconscious.



    At the climax of the film, Mal throws deep questions at Cobb (and the audience) asking if having faceless corporations chase somebody around isn’t yet another dream state. She questions the very nature of reality for all of us and certainly whether or not the faux reality of film isn’t its own sort of dream state – a place where fantastic things occur – an imagined place we as movie goers share and perceive differently and fill with our own subconscious views and interpretations. Pretty deep meta-thinking stuff.

    Well, as an answer Mr. Nolan, I can say: only when a movie like Inception comes around to light that sort of spark in our minds. Seeing Clash of the Titans wasn’t nearly as thought-provoking, fun or worthwhile.

    STILL confused about the characters, who’s dreaming when and what the levels of the dream (and how to kick out of them) are all about? Check out a second handy infographic, made by Deviant Art user “Dehahs”.

    Continue to an explanation of Inception‘s ending…

    –~~~~~~~~~~~~–
    The Ending


    There are a ton of theories being tossed around the Internet about the ending of Inception, the two biggest debates being whether Cobb was still in a dream or did he in fact return to his children in the “real world.”

    The ending of Inception is meant to leave you thinking and questioning the nature of reality. The important question is not “Is Cobb still dreaming?” – What is important is the fact that the character of Cobb goes from being a guy who is obsessed with “knowing what’s real” to ultimately being a person who stops questioning and accepts what makes him truly happy as what’s real.

    But people want more concrete answers than that, so here you go:

    After two viewings I can tell you that from the moment that Cobb and Saito (seem to) wake up from limbo, Nolan very purposefully shifts the film into an ambiguous state that leaves it somewhat open to the viewer’s perception and interpretation of that perception – two big themes of the movie, coincidentally enough.

    From the moment Cobb and Saito wake, there is no more dialogue between the characters and few shots or images that would concretely explain or prove one interpretation. Is Cobb still dreaming and his team and family (and maybe Saito) are all projections? Or is it the job completed, everyone is back in reality and everything is happily ever after? There are a few pieces of “evidence” that we can certainly address:

    Was Saito truly powerful enough to make one phone call and end Cobb’s problems or was that just Cobb in limbo projecting his subconscious wish to go home? You can argue logistics all you want, but if it’s said that Saito is a powerful and wealthy man (he bought a whole airline on a whim), then there’s reason enough to infer that he could bend the legal system for Cobb. Rich powerful people bend laws all the time.
    Is there something up with that immigration agent or is he just an immigration agent? After two viewings, the conclusion should be that the immigration guy is just a guy. If he’s staring at Cobb, it’s because his job is to look people over and scrutinize them. Would you want immigration letting people through without face-to-face scrutiny?
    Did Cobb’s father (Michael Caine) arrange to meet him at the airport or is he there because he’s Cobb’s projection? At this point we’re reading way too much into things. There is a phone on the plane, so Cobb could’ve easily arranged for pickup. This was also an intricate plan they were hatching, so arranging for airport pickup would probably be on the to-do list.
    In early dream scenes Cobb is wearing a wedding band that doesn’t appear in the “real world” scenes or the end scenes in the airport – does that mean the ending is “reality?” Details like that are certainly strong evidence that there is a real world and that Cobb does live in it at times – such as when he isn’t wearing a wedding band.
    Does the fact that Cobb uses Mal’s totem mean it doesn’t work as a totem and therefore he never knows if he’s in reality or not? Again, we’re reading a little too deep into things. The only people who know the weight and feel of that totem are Mal and Cobb, and since Mal is dead, Cobb is the only one left who knows the totem’s tactile details. So yes, he could certainly use it as a measure of reality, the totem was not “ruined” by him using it.
    At the end, Cobb’s kids seem to be the same age and are seemingly wearing the same clothes as they were in his memory of them – is it “proof” he’s still dreaming? As carefully documented by our own Vic Holtreman, at the end of the film Cobb’s kids are wearing similar outfits to the ones he remembers, but their shoes are different. As for their ages: if you check IMDB, there are actually two set of actors credited with playing Cobb’s kids. The daughter, Phillipa, is credited as being both 3 and 5 years old, while the son, James, is credited as being both 20 months and 3 years old. This suggests that while it might be subtle, there is a difference between the kids in Cobb’s memories and the kids Cobb comes home to. That would suggest the homecoming is in fact “reality.” But feel free to debate that.
    Will the spinning top keep spinning or was it about to fall over just before Nolan cut to black? Sorry, we will never know for sure, although it does start to wobble and it is never shown doing that in the dream world. Each of us will take away a guess – kind of the point of that final shot.


    At the beginning of the film, after the first job Cobb’s team tries to pull on Saito, we see Cobb sitting in his hotel room alone, spinning the top and watching it intently, gun in hand. This is a guy who is ready to blow his brains out if the top keeps spinning, in order to “wake himself up.” That’s how obsessed and paranoid he’s become.

    Throughout the film, Cobb continues to obsess about spinning the top and verifying reality – however, at the end of movie, he spins the top and walks away from it before he can verify if it stops spinning or not. His kids come running in and Cobb couldn’t care less about about the top or “true reality” or extraction/inception anymore. He just wants to be with his children, in whatever place he can be with them. That emotional connection and desire is “reality” enough for him.

    In the end, Cobb walking away from the top is a statement in itself that also completes the arc of his character. In a way, the movie is its own maze designed to plant a simple little idea in the viewer’s mind: “reality” is a relative concept.

    UPDATE: Christopher Nolan himself has endorsed our interpretation of Inception‘s ending.

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    Bravo, Mr. Nolan. You’ve gotten us thinking and talking. I leave things there – hope you enjoyed our explanation and look forward to hearing all the wonderful discussion continue.

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    Cleo
    Apr 24 - 10:43 pm
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    What is he – a child? Why would Leo need a pickup at the airport from an old man? That makes no sense. Just catch a cab.


    Archaeon
    Apr 27 - 9:09 am
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    Cleo…Cobb hasn’t been in the U.S. for quite awhile, so his father is likely just trying to help him settle in to the idea of being back home.

    That was my take…


    Martin
    Apr 24 - 11:24 pm
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    In reply to Archaeon:

    “I know how English grammar works. I TEACH it.”

    I also teach grammar. The difference between you and me is that I actually know what I am talking about.

    In the sentence “There are a lot of people here”, “a lot of” is an idiomatic expression. It means “a large number of” or “many”. There is also the literal meaning of “a lot of” as in “He owns a lot of land”. The expression could also be used with uncountable nouns to mean “a large amount” as in “There is a lot of sand”. “People” and “theories” are counatble nouns however so “There is a lot of people” is obviously wrong.

    Look, you don’t believe me? Fine. Check out “Essential Grammar in Use Second Edition” (Cambridge University Press 1990, 1997) by Raymond Murphy, page 172. It gives the example “There ARE a lot of trees/shops/people…(plural verb)”. The emphasis is theirs. Are you going to argue now with Cambridge University about what is correct grammar. Seriously?

    Similarly, “a ton of theories” as in “There are a ton of theories” does not literally mean “theories measured out to weigh one ton”. “a ton of” is not seriously meant as a measure but as an idiomatic expression meaning, in this case, “a large number”. The verb-subject agreement is with the nound theories which is clearly plural. It would be as if you said “There are a million theories.”


    Archaeon
    Apr 25 - 3:13 pm
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    Martin…

    I hope you’re more polite and respectful in your classes than you were at the beginning of the above response.

    I, too, know my subject matter and my chosen profession, but I am always willing to review what I’ve said and the particulars of a given conversation. In this case, I went back and looked at the original statement, the one that started this whole pointless mess. I also looked at various classroom materials and online sources.

    One thing I realized (and it amazes me that I had let this detail slip by) is that I NEVER SAW THE ORIGINAL STATEMENT. For some odd reason, I thought I had, but I had only gone as far back as Arturo’s initial correction. Thus, I must, in fairness, admit that the original usage might indeed lend credence to your perspective.

    This is not to say that my perspective is wrong, however. I DID find several sources that proved your point, admittedly. I did, ALSO, find a few that gave weight to my argument, as well. My mistake was in being too general in my definition of what was being described and expressed. The formality/informality of the original statement, its referent(s), and the point made by the original author (and, thus, his surrounding/leading statements) influenced the form his sentence took. I should have considered these things instead of simply glomming on to Arturo’s comment. For THAT (and ONLY that), I do apologize.

    Otherwise, I stand by what I said…with the addendum that it is not an absolute.

    Now, can we PLEASE drop what has become a truly pointless off-topic conversation and get back to “Inception”?


    Martin
    Apr 26 - 5:47 pm
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    “I hope you’re more polite and respectful in your classes than you were at the beginning of the above response.”

    You mean when I said “I know how English grammar works. I TEACH it.”? Oh, wait, that was me quoting you.

    In the future you might want to try being a little less arrogant, especially when you obviously haven’t bothered to check any references to see if what you are saying is actually true and not just complete nonsense.


    Archaeon
    Apr 27 - 8:56 am
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    “The difference between you and me is that I actually know what I am talking about.”

    THAT is the statement to which I was responding. THAT is the very definition of arrogance.

    I realized a mistake I had made, in terms of my initial observation, NOT my conclusion. I attempted to correct my mistake (or, at least, to explain it). I even tried, honestly and fairly, to point out that we both had made valid points. I did not speak down to you in MY response. I pity your students if that’s how you behave in class. Act like an ass if you wish, but you are not worth any more of my time.


    Martin
    Apr 27 - 9:13 pm
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    If you were my student, I would give you a failing grade and yet you presume to teach others… and you call ME arrogant.

    I was making a factual statement. You didn’t know what you were talking about. Go cry to somebody else.


    BRIAN
    Apr 25 - 10:41 pm
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    Wow! Is this guy for real?! One thing you didn’t learn while majoring in one of the most regretted degrees in America (english,) is manors! I suggest you develop some.


    Name
    Apr 28 - 11:06 am
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    “you and me” it’s suppose to ben” you and I” im an 8th grade student and i know more about grammar then you.


    Martin
    Apr 29 - 5:40 am
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    “between you and I”? No, try again. “Between” is a preposition and “you and me” is the object of that preposition.


    Martin
    Apr 29 - 5:42 am
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    Oh and, by the way, I know more about grammar THAN you.


    Andrew
    May 28 - 3:37 pm
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    I’d rather have manners than grammar, you online cretin warrior.


    Martin
    May 30 - 7:16 am
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    Yeah, well, let me know when you have learned some manners then.


    Name
    Apr 28 - 11:07 am
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    “you and me” it’s suppose to be “you and I” im an 8th grade student and i know more about grammar then you.


    Martin
    May 30 - 8:16 am
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    *supposed *I’m *I *than


    Aja
    Apr 25 - 4:47 pm
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    ….did you not forget the concept that he may still be dreaming, from after when he goes to trial test out the asians guys own compound…after he wakes we see a shot of him in the bathroom watching his totem spin, but someone interupts him and he knocks it over himself…..so we never know whether it was going to still spin or not??!!…..


    Tykjen
    Apr 26 - 1:13 am
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    That scene was only for Saito. “Ive seen one before..many many years ago”


    Mike
    May 03 - 4:44 pm
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    Very good point!!! Omg got me questioning the whole movie again now lool


    Mike
    May 03 - 4:45 pm
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    Very good point. argh you have me questioning the whole movie again now lool


    Mikey Lad
    May 03 - 4:46 pm
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    Very good point. argh you have me questioning the whole movie again now lool.


    Tykjen
    Apr 26 - 1:17 am
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    Soon 8000 comments? Where is the article about this article? It has gone too far, and it will probably end up lost in Limbo if its pushed further.


    JTS
    Apr 27 - 7:15 am
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    Please don’t use terms like “subconscious” when you mean unconscious. Subconscious is a made-up Hollywood idea. Real psychology deals purely with the unconscious mind.


    Sambo
    May 02 - 5:02 am
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    Ah, it is a ‘made-up Hollywood’ movie…


    Dustin
    Apr 28 - 10:05 pm
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    As much as I respect the well planned layout of this site, I have problems with your arguments.

    1. Was Saito truly powerful enough to make one phone call and end Cobb’s problems or was that just Cobb in limbo projecting his subconscious wish to go home? You can argue logistics all you want, but if it’s said that Saito is a powerful and wealthy man (he bought a whole airline on a whim), then there’s reason enough to infer that he could bend the legal system for Cobb. Rich powerful people bend laws all the time.

    You assume Saito isn’t a projection. I’m arguing from the perspective that his wife was indeed correct in believing that the “real world” Leonardo came back into was still a dream.

    Did Cobb’s father (Michael Caine) arrange to meet him at the airport or is he there because he’s Cobb’s projection? At this point we’re reading way too much into things. There is a phone on the plane, so Cobb could’ve easily arranged for pickup. This was also an intricate plan they were hatching, so arranging for airport pickup would probably be on the to-do list.

    But yet one point remains clear and is repeated. One shot shows Cobb seeing his father at the airport, the next shows him at home with his father. It’s reading too much into it to assume that Cobb knew how he actually got home.

    In early dream scenes Cobb is wearing a wedding band that doesn’t appear in the “real world” scenes or the end scenes in the airport – does that mean the ending is “reality?” Details like that are certainly strong evidence that there is a real world and that Cobb does live in it at times – such as when he isn’t wearing a wedding band.

    In a dream, one can manipulate objects at will sometimes. If he is indeed convinced that his “real world” is real, then he would perceive himself without the ring. Quite simple really.

    Does the fact that Cobb uses Mal’s totem mean it doesn’t work as a totem and therefore he never knows if he’s in reality or not? Again, we’re reading a little too deep into things. The only people who know the weight and feel of that totem are Mal and Cobb, and since Mal is dead, Cobb is the only one left who knows the totem’s tactile details. So yes, he could certainly use it as a measure of reality, the totem was not “ruined” by him using it.

    This also goes along with the wedding ring. He can manipulate the object all he wants. What gives that certain object any special ability over any cup or bowl in his dream? Especially if he’s the architect.

    At the end, Cobb’s kids seem to be the same age and are seemingly wearing the same clothes as they were in his memory of them – is it “proof” he’s still dreaming? As carefully documented by our own Vic Holtreman, at the end of the film Cobb’s kids are wearing similar outfits to the ones he remembers, but their shoes are different. As for their ages: if you check IMDB, there are actually two set of actors credited with playing Cobb’s kids. The daughter, Phillipa, is credited as being both 3 and 5 years old, while the son, James, is credited as being both 20 months and 3 years old. This suggests that while it might be subtle, there is a difference between the kids in Cobb’s memories and the kids Cobb comes home to. That would suggest the homecoming is in fact “reality.” But feel free to debate that.

    He can also manipulate what his kids look like based upon his own belief in the dream. What is clear, though, is that the human mind isn’t truly revolutionary in creating it’s own ideas. It draws off previous or existing details. So he alters the shoes and ages, big deal. What is striking ARE the similarities.

    Will the spinning top keep spinning or was it about to fall over just before Nolan cut to black?

    Again, what does it matter if he’s the architect and created every item in the dream. He can manipulate it all.


    Tykjen
    Apr 30 - 11:56 pm
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    Micheal Caine was not Cobb’s father. He was his father in law. He introduced Mal and Cobb to Dreamshare.


    Sambo
    May 02 - 4:55 am
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    Nice round-up Dustin, I generally agree.


    Dan
    Apr 30 - 5:50 pm
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    if mal created the idea of a totem, why didn’t she just spin it to see if she was in a dream or reality before killing herself?


    Tykjen
    Apr 30 - 11:30 pm
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    She ultimately understood that Cobb found her top in Limbo and altered the idea. She could not break free, and had to take a Leap of Faith when waiting for the train. And once free..the idea was stuck. And that is what an Inception does. It sticks in reality, and no matter how many times she would reality check herself it would not matter since her secret of the totem was no longer a secret. Cobb knew this too and he did not have the heart to tell her. He only tells himself and Ariadne in the end when he comes clean about it.


    Sambo
    May 02 - 4:42 am
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    @Tyken, at what point did she “ultimately understand that Cobb altered her top in limbo”?

    In response to @dan, I think we must assume she did spin it. Whether Cobb ever tried it himself would be another question.

    But what happens when she spins it? If it falls, Mal would just look for other excuses to support her deeply ‘incepted’ beliefs. She even says to Cobb that their current world seems real to him, only because he believes it to be real, she probably thinks his beliefs are overriding hers, here, in what she still believes to be limbo, or perhaps a dream level. (Again, the confusion concerning even this small detail is intentional, allowing the film to maintain its ambiguity. Where did Mal think she was?!)

    On the otherhand, it the top did keep on spinning… well, i’ll let you come to your own conclusions. But if it did, imo, it probably fell over the second Cobb ever entered the same room where she was spinning it.


    Tykjen
    May 02 - 4:47 am
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    She always knew, I mean..who else could have found out her secret but Cobb? But she still had to take a leap of faith when they escaped on the tracks. And she gave him the same ultimatum when she escaped after coming back to reality.. sadly.


    Sambo
    May 02 - 5:05 am
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    No she didn’t realize Cobb set the totem spinning, did she?

    Wasn’t this inception Cobb’s great deception?


    Sambo
    May 02 - 5:08 am
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    Mal would not question finding it spinning, not in a dream? Weird stuff like that happens in dreams, and no doubt in limbo.


    Tykjen
    May 02 - 5:13 am
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    She didn’t even find the totem spinning. Once Cobb spun it, she was already given the idea that “your world is not real”. It helped her escape limbo. But it did the same in reality too, which is something Cobb couldn’t foresee as it was the first Inception. And a dangerous idea to plant..


    Tykjen
    May 02 - 5:17 am
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    “Happens in dreams” is one thing, “happens in Dreamshare” is quite another. And “happening in Limbo through Dreamshare” is a whole new playfield. Cobb and Mal were Gods in their own world. Nothing was by chance down there. Mal knew this, and made a conscious choice to forget reality while using Dreamshare. Ultimately they were both Dreamshare addicts, with sad consequences.


    Sambo
    May 03 - 4:50 am
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    Even looking at it that way, I still fail to see how Mal “ultimately knew”?


    Tykjen
    May 13 - 3:11 am
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    She had a radical notion. Nuff said


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 8:46 am
    She had a radical notion that “Her world wasn’t real”,

    not that Cobb had Incepted her. She never knew.


    Jeff
    May 03 - 4:26 pm
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    Here is another point about the dream. When they all went under on the plane, it was raining because the one guy had to take a leak, right ? Well, when they got the kick and to wake up when the van was falling off the bridge…it was still “RAINING.”
    So does that mean that they were still at that one level down in the dream after all and NOT in the real world ??


    Martin Phipps
    May 05 - 3:02 am
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    Of course. The kick brought them back to the first level. They woke up when the sedative wore off. Likewise, Cobb and Saito were never in danger of going into a coma and not waking up: the danger was that they would not remember who they were when they woke up. We see Saito going for a gun, presumably to shoot himself so he would wake up but it could be they woke up because the sedative had worn off.

    Which is a good point. There’s no doubt that Cobb woke up on the plane. The real question is whether or not the entire movie was a dream.


    Sambo
    May 06 - 3:31 am
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    I think it is also important to make the distinction between

    ‘the entire movie was a dream’

    versus

    ‘the entire movie takes place within dreamshare and limbo’.


    Sambo
    May 06 - 3:37 am
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    The first version imply’s that the Pasiv device is the figment of a fevered dream.

    The second, that the Pasiv device is very real and Cobb has become utterly lost within it.


    Adam
    May 03 - 9:39 pm
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    Alright….so I know the debate of the film is over….I just got done watching it and was wondering if anyone else had this thought….is it possible that the college girl, architect, was investigating Cobb? And that the reason Cobb was sent free was because it was determined by his encounter with his wife at the end of the film that he truly did not kill his wife? I know there aren’t any direct statements within the film to prove this theory to be correct, but it’s an interesting thought that during this inception Cobb may have been under investigation for the murder of his wife


    Sambo
    May 06 - 3:49 am
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    Fresh take Adam, nice angle, I like it.

    The more theories the better in my opinion… as long as they only contradict audience assumptions, and not the facts as they are stated.


    Ahmauri613
    May 05 - 5:05 pm
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    I watched it when it first came out and was satisfied but then i kept thinking, why are the kids still wearing the same thing and in the same spot? Why are they the same age as when he left? Why don’t we see the top stop spinning? So I ask is he the one that is still dreaming and his wife right and she out but he’s still in? Help me


    Jo
    May 06 - 6:24 pm
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    Nice explanation. but the key is in Yusuf basement, when Cobb goes into sleep and dream about mal, he falls into limbo there and the rest of all movie is a Cobb dream. You can notice that when he suposly wakes up from that dream the top falls to the ground and never was tested. The only thing that changes is the way Cobb thinks about its relation with mal.


    Archaeon
    May 07 - 6:25 am
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    Jo…

    The key…AS YOU SEE IT. Plenty of others have found just as much evidence to indicate Cobb DOES awaken to actual reality by the end of the film.


    Gene
    May 12 - 8:03 am
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    Nobody really cares who knows more about grammar guys… Just post a comment about the film or shut up and go on another website -.-


    Belles
    May 12 - 7:40 pm
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    JTS, there is a difference. Unconscious is a STATE, whereas subconscious is an element of the mind.


    Collin
    May 17 - 8:45 pm
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    Just because Cobb gets distracted by his kids at the end of the movie preventing him (and the audience) from knowing whether he’s still dreaming or not doesn’t mean he will never know for sure if he’s still dreaming. He can just go back to the top anytime after and see if it’s still spinning or if it stopped. Sure we as the audience will never know the truth, but let Cobb enjoy his kids whether he’s dreaming or not, all he wants is to experience happiness.


    Tykjen
    May 19 - 3:28 am
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    Exactly. He needs to get back home in the real world, cause thats the only place he can see his childrens faces. Assurance of reality ^


    Prince Inferno
    May 18 - 7:36 pm
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    There was one small scene that I noticed. When Cobb is finding his team, he meets up with the gentleman (forgive me for not knowing the characters names) that has a room full of men that share dreams together. The man states that the dreams are extremely stable. Cobb has a dream about mal (his dead, crazy wife) and then wakes himself up. When he goes into the bathroom to check and see if he is still dreaming, Sato (the guy making the deal with him) interrupts him and ask him if everything is all right. Cobb picks up the totem and walks away saying yes. Could it be possible that he was sleeping for 8 hours like the rest if the men in the room and dreamt that he completes the job and went home to his kids. In addition, after that moment in the bathroom, Cobb never pulls out the totem until the end…. Food for thought.


    Tykjen
    May 19 - 3:26 am
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    Nah. Cobb followed up after that with the experiments. And besides, Saito had seen the totem, “many many years ago”, and he did in that bathroom.


    Voidokm
    May 30 - 7:15 am
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    That doesn’t really matter I think. People seem to forget that the special object only works if you are in somebody else’s dream. Because of the whole “not being allowed to know the weight of the object”.

    Because if the dreamer knows the object then the dreamer can manipulate the object and make it do the correct actions. So if Cobb was in his own dream down in Yusuf’s room, then whether or not Saito knocked it down doesn’t matter because Cobb can dream the object to do whatever he wants.

    So with that piece of information, I don’t think that he is still dreaming when he spins, because that would be a major plothole, considering it doesn’t even matter in his own dream.


    Martin
    May 30 - 7:30 am
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    The top was originally Mal’s totem and he said that “Mal could make the top spin and spin forever” and presumably he could too and that was how he convinced her that she was dreaming. Now if they move one level up Mal should realize that they are still dreaming and try the top and presumably she did and it spun and spun and she was convinced that she was still dreaming but she couldn’t convince Cobb: he was so convinced that he was in the real world that when he saw the top it would stop spinning but in the end he isn’t looking at the top so it keeps spinning. So that suggests that he had been dreaming the whole movie. I think Terryfinn’s argument for him being in a dream world is the simplest yet, although it could also be argued that it was just something that Nolan either overlooked or didn’t show: perhaps they did kill themselves a few more times to get back to reality but she was still unconvinced that her world was real. The spinning top at the end, however, suggests that they didn’t and that they were still dreaming.


    Vantasia
    May 20 - 1:34 am
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    I loved this movie. It’s probably the best movie I’ve ever seen! They had a very unusual story line, and I liked it. I was also pulled in to how they ended up being put in a dream, then another dream, and so forth. I was intrigued by the paradoxes and impossible shapes and physics. I thought it was fascinating how the time was distorted according to dissimilar levels. They had 10 hours in reality, days in the 1st level, weeks in the 2nd level, a decade in the 3rd level, and decades in Limbo. Overall, I thought this movie was outstanding.


    Just A Guy
    May 20 - 9:45 pm
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    Doesn’t really matter whether or not Cobb is still in Limbo or returned to the “Real World”. All that really matters is that he is with his children (real or not) and is ultimately a happier person than what he was in the beginning of the movie. (even if it is just false happiness, created by his own subconsciousness)

    My view? The ending was left to keep you guessing so I don’t think there needs to be a concrete answer. (Doesn’t matter how much you want one, you won’t get it. The ending is a big tease, and I like it that way)

    Why am I commenting? I just watched the movie again and I felt like it.

    [Random Note: Laughed really hard that Scarecrow was the man who got "Incepted". -Yeah dude you use toxins to make people hallucinate huh? Well I just went into your mind and put your subconscious into a dream, into a dream, and then into another dream to just mess with you man... Yeah, who's the BA now?- Love it!]

    You actually read this comment? Good going, but I just wasted like a minute of your life… Sorry. But here is some good news, I wasted five minutes of my life to waste a minute of your life, so I basically screwed myself over… Oh well…


    Robyn
    May 21 - 3:18 pm
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    Just been reading all the comments and really like all the theories. I’m not sure what I think but is this a valid idea: what if we are always in cobbs dream and mal keeps trying to enter it to wake him? And in limbo near the end mal realises that she is loosing the battle to convince cobb that he is dreaming and decideds never to come back? Does that mean is is always in a limbo? But if he is why isnt Cobb or the chrildren getting older or is he projecting himself in that imagd? Is any of that even possible or have I missed the idea?? I’m getting mind boggled from this film and now questioning everything about it like mal! But this is definatly reality we are in…


    Raffi1990
    May 27 - 9:31 am
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    Well, Cobb actually reveals to Ariadne how his totems works, so the ending might aswell be Ariadnes work, the fact that Cobb and Saito dont wake up in the Van like everyone else, but they wake up straight into the plane, could be a hint that Cobb actually never reached Saito, but from the moment he was on the beach into Saitos limbo he was actually in Ariadnes dream/architecture. So that would mean that, with ariadne knowing how Cobb’s totem works, she might aswell ‘fool’ him into thinking its the real world even if in reality Cobb is dreaming.


    TerryFinn
    May 30 - 5:28 am
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    Everyone overlooks a few simple details:

    The more levels deep you are, the more times you will have to kill yourself. Killing yourself within a dream within a dream will bring you back to the original dream.

    Mal and Cobb was in Limbo, which we think is atleast four levels deep.
    They were waiting for a train, and when the train hit them, they wake up.

    Wait, don’t they have to kill themselves three more times after waking up from Limbo?


    Martin
    May 30 - 7:18 am
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    Sounds legit. Arthur only moved up one level when he died in the opening sequence.


    Tykjen
    May 30 - 7:31 am
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    Arthur was not under a powerful sedative during the first mission on Saito, thats why he woke up one level above. If you ask me, perhaps the levels above Cobb and Mal in Limbo had collapsed because they died in the dreamlevels while influenced by a powerful sedative, and thats how they ended up in Limbo in the first place. When Cobb and Saito escapes Limbo in the end, the levels above them are gone.


    Martin
    May 30 - 8:08 am
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    It wasn’t made clear due to the frantic pace of the action (and hence little time for exposition) but I take it that Cobb and Saito woke up when the sedative wore off. Cobb had to find Saito and remind him that his world was not real so that he would remember who he was when he woke up and be able to make the phone call that would enable Cobb to see his family.

    That brings up another point though. If Cobb and Mal were in Limbo for 50 years then didn’t their sedative wear off? And if it didn’t wear off because they had taken too much then would killing themselves in the dream work? Some people say that Cobb and Saito shot themselves and woke up but that should only work if the sedative had worn off. So if the sedative has worn off then killing yourself in the dream wakes up but if the sedative has not worn off then killing yourself in the dream won’t work.

    So what does that mean with Arthur in the opening scene? He “dies” in the dream but he only goes up one level. Oh, I see, it is because the architect was still dreaming and Arthur was in his dream and Arthur could not wake up until his dream was over, not unless he died again with the sedative having worn off. Saito and Cobb could wake up because the Ames, Arthur and the chemist had already woken up: as you say “the dreams had collapsed” because the dreamers had woken up.

    But then that brings up another question! Who went to sleep with Mal and Cobb that they were able to get to Limbo and stay there for 50 years? That was never explained. For the job, they needed at least three people, one person dreaming each level. I don’t see how Cobb and Mal reached Limbo by working alone. That was never explained. Could they take turns, with Cobb dreaming the first level and Mal dreaming the second level, etc.? But then the levels above them haven’t collapsed because they are the ones dreaming those levels. Oops.


    Tykjen
    May 30 - 10:05 am
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    They were on a powerful sedative, went into the first level and died. Then woke up to a new reality, called Limbo.

    Arthur however was not on a powerful sedative, so he woke up the level above as usual.


    Archaeon
    May 30 - 7:36 pm
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    tykjen…

    That is how I understood it. Also, didn’t they actually explain this in the film? I’ve never felt any confusion about this particular issue…


    Tykjen
    May 31 - 4:25 am
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    Indeed. No confusion what so ever, but many people in these comments are indeed confused


    Martin
    May 31 - 5:56 am
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    But you are forgetting that it isn’t normal for people to take drugs, go to sleep and then wake up not knowing what is real.

    Oh… wait… I take it back. That is EXACTLY what happens when you take drugs, assuming you wake up at all. Never mind.


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 8:13 am
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    The particulars of Mal and Cobb’s getting to limbo were intentionally glossed over. The best we got was that they went too deep.


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 8:21 am
    We can only assume they died to get to limbo, just as we can only assume that there are only 4 levels of dreamshare. The lack of specifics serves the ambiguity, hence the lack of specifics.


    Joop
    May 31 - 7:36 am
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    As I understand it, the limbo is not a higher level of dreamstate, rather it is an ‘unconstructed’ dreamstate as mentioned in the film. Therefore you can fall into a limbo without having constructed multiple dream layers. You can just construct a single dream layer then kill yourself to fall into an unconstructed limbo(on the supposition that you are under a strong enough sedation). And thats how cobb and mal were able to fall into a limbo without extra personel. They took a strong sedative that would stop them from waking up before it would ware off and killed themselves at the first level of dreamstate, thus falling into an unconstructed limbo where mal refused to wake up(kill her self) even after the sedation would have worn off because she accepted the limbo as reality( losing her mind, like when Adrine tells Cobb after he decides to stay in the limbo to find saito “dont lose your mind”). Cobb then had to convince her that they were in a limbo and they killed themselves waking up after spending a lifetime in the limbo.


    Archaeon
    May 31 - 11:02 am
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    YES.


    Tykjen
    May 31 - 5:59 pm
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    But Cobb did speak from experience. I dont think they went in only one level before they ended up in limbo. I believe Cobb and Mal experimented with “Great depth” but ultimately lots of stuff went wrong..and “years” went by playing God in Limbo after one of them died and one perhaps followed. The scene at the anniversary..could that be when? There is so much that is unsaid in Inception, which we can only imagine. Why did Mal want to stay in Limbo and not wake up? At one time they both understood Limbo, but Mal chose to stay there. She fooled herself with her own totem, placing it toppled, in “reality mode” in her own safe. She did this on purpose to herself.. yet another experiment that went wrong.


    Joop
    May 31 - 6:46 pm
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    Yes you are right Cobb did say that he and mal experimented with dream stages. And IMO, based strictly on my assumption, during those experiments,possibly with other people and sometimes Cobb staying on one level and Mal going into another, they may have stumbled upon the existence of the Limbo. Then they both decided to go into limbo together via the method I have suggested above without the help of others. And they did spend years playing God in the limbo during which Mal ‘lost her mind’ ( the attraction of the limbo was too great, similar to why Ariadne came back to cobb’s workshop)and decided to lockaway her symbol of reality into her subconscious SAFE, losing her sense of whats real and what isnt completely. Cobb who was still aware, used inception ( breaking into her subconscious safe and spinning her totem) to plant the idea in Mal’s mind that the limbo is a dream. And they both killed themselves together by going under the train. After they came back to reality, the idea that Cobb had put into Mal’s subconscious kept own growing like a virus and eventually Mal started to doubt the world in which they were in and was convinced that she was still dreaming and tried to persuade Cobb as well. Cobb refused and so Mal devised a plan to commit suicide on their wedding aniversary telling the authorities false lies about Cobb, putting him in danger so that he will commit suicide with her. Mal died and Cobb became a fugitive.


    Tykjen
    May 31 - 7:06 pm
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    Well put. And yea, Nolan is a true genius alright. Truly open film. I sometimes watch the anniversary scene as something that may have happened in one of the dreamlevels they experimented with. Mal tried to convince Cobb they were still stuck after escaping Limbo. And she took her leap of faith and woke up, but Cobb was the one that stayed behind and forever after lost in a loop, and projects everyone and everything around him, figments of his own personality to guide him out. Ariadne was clearly a female version of Cobb in a way. She kept “pushing and pushing”, wanted Cobb to go deeper, further.

    I think you might like this. The whole Jungian aspect is mindblowing to read.

    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/What-If-Inception-Were-Analyzed-By-Dream-Experts-19638.html


    Martin
    Jun 02 - 1:30 am
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    Okay, I see where you are going with this. So they kill themselves in their dream to wake up but because they have taken a strong sedative they don’t wake up but go into Limbo. They need to spend years in Limbo because it was a strong sedative and they will need to have a few hours pass in the real world if the sedative is to wear off. They kill themselves again and Cobb believes he is back in the real world but Mal is not sure: she kills herself but she is unable to convince Cobb to kill himself. So is Cobb still dreaming or not? I think they were still dreaming because I don’t think the dream above them had collapsed. That makes a big difference: Arthur died in a dream but he didn’t wake up, he just went up one level. Cobb and Saito may have woken up from Limbo but Cobb that is irrelevant because Cobb is still dreaming. We didn’t actually see Cobb and Saito shoot each other: the fact that they realized they were in a dream, with the sedative having worn off, may have been enough to cause them to wake up.


    Tykjen
    Jun 02 - 5:47 am
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    During the Saito mission, Arthur was killed in level 2 and woke up in level 1. Same with Saito, who thought he was waking up in his own apartment in reality. Cobb was woken up with a kick since the slap he got from Nash didnt do anything.(See? very stable.) Normal procedure for Dreamshare to wake up when you die. But the thing with the mission was something new, something even the great Saito didnt know: They were 2 levels down, and the same rules still applied. If Arthur had been killed in level 1 = hed woken up on the train in reality.


    Joop
    Jun 02 - 6:39 am
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    As we all seem to be assuming out of context here ( very interestingly so), I think if mal did wake up instead of falling to her death, she’d surely have tried to wake up Cobb by giving him the ‘kick’ which is quicker and more effective than coming back to his subconscious and persuading him to kill hisself. And so the fact that we dont see cobb being given the kick( apart from the ones involved in the ‘job’) I would say that argument is a lil farfetched..nonetheless very imaginative and engaging.


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 8:33 am
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    That’s why i value the ambiguity surrounding the possibilty that the pair of them reached limbo, not through a first-level-death, but through a much deeper-level-death. Which, of course, is to indulge the assumption that more than 4 dream levels are a possibility. But if anyone can give me something solid to disprove the idea, i’d be happy to close the book on it.


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 8:39 am
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    The significance of which, I should add, is the extended time ratio which multiple levels would provide. The time it takes for Mal to stand up and give him the ‘kick’ could be a year for Cobb.

    Also, the limbo to reality time ratio is never given to us explicitly. And for that matter, if you go to limbo from level 1, is your time ratio to reality the same as if you go to limbo from level 4, or how’s that work. Does limbo have a time ratio constant?


    SQLGuy
    Jun 02 - 9:14 am
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    The movie seemed to establish, though, that a different dreamer in the same Dreamshare was needed for each level. With only Cobb and Mal, they shouldn’t have been able to go more than two levels down, and then one of them would already have been left out. For the type of timescale difference you’re suggesting between Cobb and a woken up Mal, they would have had to have been many more levels down, and they would have needed a few more dreamers.


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 11:50 am
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    Not necessarily, the movie only establishes the guidelines like that because it is essential for the team to have a strategy for kicking themselves back to reality, hence the different dreamers in each level.

    I posit that taking turns between 2 people could have worked. After all, the Pasiv device is new technology, and even Cobb still experiments with it, and he is considered an expert to some degree, so surely we can’t be sure of anything that isn’t otherwise stated in the film.


    Tykjen
    Jun 02 - 12:17 pm
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    Agreed. Who’s to say they couldn’t take turns? After all they were experimenting, going deeper and deeper, further. Downwards is the only way forwards..


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 12:38 pm
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    BTW, on a strong sedative (1:20) one need only be 4 levels deep to turn 2 seconds into 370 days. I can show you the math if you like.


    Tykjen
    Jun 02 - 9:33 am
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    But the problem is if you wake/kick up someone from Limbo, they will be in a state of coma. It was important for teh subject to truly KNOW that Limbo wasnt real before leaving.

    But Mal was not sure when she left with Cobb. Mal loved Cobb too much, and wanted to leave with him on the traintracks without question. But when Mal was leaving Cobb, he could not. He was always so sure what was real or not..
    But Mal was the complex one, who really knew the absolute:

    They could be 100% certain, that they could never be sure.

    And the Inception sadly caused Mal to be fixxed on the idea given by Cobb: “You world is not real”. She got that idea in Limbo after 50 years..must have been tough to leave.


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 11:56 am
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    I forgot that thanks Ty.

    Also, 1. Do you think it is possible for a kick to reach from reality to limbo, if the intervening dream levels have already been deconstructed.

    and 2. If they went from the first level to limbo, what do you imagine their time ratio would be, as I was getting at?


    Tykjen
    Jun 02 - 12:11 pm
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    Great depth was a hot topic of discussion within Inception, so I firmly believe Cobb and Mal experimented with 3+ levels. This is very important to not overlook because Cobb speaks of experience. Yusuf says at first its impossible when talking about 3 levels. Cobb says one only has to add a sedative. Yusuf corrects Cobb by adding POWERFUL sedative, to which Cobb nods without saying a word.

    As for your questions, I dont think a kick in reality would wake up anyone from Limbo. Anyone who is in Limbo, needs to be delivered a message that its not real before they can leave, is my inkling anyway. Eames is the one who only brushes upon that if one ends in Limbo, and wakes up from it, theres a great chance youd have brains for scrambled eggs.

    As for your second point, I see Limbo as its own level with its own time compression. One could die in level 3 and go there, or in level 1 and go there, and the time compression does not matter down there. 1 second in reality can be a year for that matter in limbo. Limbo is for me also a state of mind, outside reality. Where there are no rules, no time.


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 12:47 pm
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    Yeah I think I tend to agree, Limbo would have it’s own independent time ratio, and as it is pretty much the act of one directly interfacing with their subconscious one would expect that it would be at maximum ratio, whatever that might be.


    Joop
    Jun 02 - 12:46 pm
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    Please do correct me if I am wrong but didnt Ariadne wake up from a limbo(unconstructured dream she went into with cobb to find Fischer) by throwing herself off cobb/mals apartment? And she and others rode the synchronised kick to the first level to wait for the sedative to wear off? The reason why Cobb, who also (eventually)died from the Mal-inflicted stab wound in the limbo didnt wake up is because the dream right up above had collapsed – dream 3(eames) and 2(arthur)-and drowned in the first dream(yusef) hence he got lost into a further limbo, waking up on Saito’s armed shore. The only way cobb and saito could get out of the limbo now was to wait for the sedatives to wear off and hope that the team would give them the kick as soon as they awoke. Therefore the limbo is not a coma, its merely an unconstructed dream from which you can easily awake with a kick however the problem in this case was that everyone who could give cobb/saito the kick was also still in the dream and they were all under a strong sedative set on a timer which is a loooong time for saito. And this is the reason why cobb chose to stay in the limbo to find saito; not because saito would fall into a coma and never wake up, but because saito could forget who he was and could become mentally ill when he wakes up( Like MAL). Thats why we see cobb and saito exchange a dialogue in saito’s castle, reminding themselves of who they were(even cobb seems confused). And this is also why we see cobb and saito wake up naturally on the plane rather than through a kick, because the team couldn’t know for sure if cobb had managed to remind saito of the truth, so they put away all the equipment so that fischer wouldnt get suspicious but left cobb and saito to sleep.
    (THIS DOES NOT MEAN TO SAY THAT COBB ACTUALLY WOKE UP INTO REALITY. going to find saito was cobb’s plan (which ariadne knew) and how cobb imagagined he would wake up.so it could be either)

    And Sambo, if as you say, there was another level into which cobb and mal awoke from their limbo (train track death) and that cobb is still on this dream level while mal could be a level higher or even in supposed reality, then the time difference between mal and cobb may not be years but minutes or hours because cobb will not in a limbo anymore but in one of their structured dreams, 1 or 2 levels above depending on how many they created. So if mal was to give him the kick in whichever stage that she may be, throughout the timespan of the movie( at least a few weeks) we should have seen cobb feel the kick or some even sort of a sign.


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 1:03 pm
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    Limbo or not, if Cobb IS, again… that’s if he IS by some chance 5 layers deep, 1 second in reality would be just over ten years to him.


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 1:09 pm
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    So he should be expecting Mal’s kick anytime in the next 20 to 30 years or so, lol, let’s hope she doesn’t decide to go to the bathroom first, ha.


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 1:15 pm
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    That is on a 1:20 sedative as Yusuf suggests, I should add.
    Without sedative the ratio is 1:12.


    Joop
    Jun 02 - 1:56 pm
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    Yes you are right haha. Scary. But if as u say they were 5 dreams deep and the lvls above hadn’t collapsed, killing yourself at level 5 as mal did by jumping from her hotel room, would only bring you to the next level up-4. So we’d have to calculate the time difference between lvl 5 and lvl4, rather than lvl 5 and reality to see when mals kick would reach cobb


    Joop
    Jun 02 - 1:14 pm
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    sorry for all the spelling/gramar errors.. lol awful.. need ms word


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 1:25 pm
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    Ur fine.. maybe throw some line breaks in though, makes it easier to not lose your place when reading is all, lol.


    Joop
    May 31 - 4:27 pm
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    Furthermore.. having debates over the validity of cobb’s totem and whether it was about to topple at the very end is counterproductive and will have us circling in a paradoxical loop.
    1. Saito’s handling of Cobb’s totem does not ruin its purpose, they were already in a constructed dream.
    The reason why arthur teaches ariadne to keep her totem safe from others reach is because if an architect in the real world gets hold of her totem and observes its purpose, then the architect is be able to imitate such a totem and construct it into his architecture defeating the purpose and integrity of ariadne’s totem.

    Therefore the integrity of Cobb’s totem is protected throughout the film, the only other person who knew about the totem, mal, is dead.

    2. The ending doesnt simply pivot around the simple notion that if the totem spins on its a dream and if it topples its reality. We must take note of the scene where cobb tries to persuade mal of the fact that they are in reality by confronting her with his inability to control his totem. Mal argues back saying ‘thats because you dont know you are dreaming’. This is a very very important factor.

    The last dreamstate or limbo cobb puts himself into is his own. The previous dreams of eames, arthur and yusef have collapsed due to the synchronised kicks.
    Lets suppose cobb was still in the limbo when he came home to his kids. From the moment cobbs wakes up on the plane he looks confused and he checks the others to see if anything is strange. He gets home and still very unsure, spins his totem but before he could see if it toppled he runs to see his kids.Now up until this very moment cobbs had restricted himself from seeing his kids faces until he was sure that they were real. But now he’s not so sure. He doenst know for a ‘fact’ that this is real but his wanting to ‘believe’that its real ( mal’ what do you believe’) has carried him from the aiport to his home and to his kids. But then why does the totem seem like it is about to topple at the very last cut? Because he doesnt know for sure and/or doesnt want to believe that this is a dream. And because this is HIS dream he has control over his totem and his subconcious, his longing for his kids, may well have toppled his totem to convince himself that this is REAL.

    So as you can see, whether the totem topples is not so much the issue because at this very last scene and at this last scene only his totem has lost its purpose. The totem could topple in both dream and reality. This film has given us a truly open ending. chris nolan is a genius.


    Tykjen
    May 31 - 7:10 pm
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    Wholeheartedly agreed. The whole totem/ending discussion has so far not, and certainly will not develop into anything absolute. Unless Nolan tells about it, which he wont. Inception is as of now, Nolan’s own real life totem


    Sambo
    Jun 02 - 8:07 am
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    Well said Joop

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  • Abiola and Honours ;
    Jonathan called him "presumed winner", but I daresay our president is either dumb or playing the ostrich with history.

    Honouring Abiola should by all means start with an OFFICIAL RECOGNITION of his victory as a democratically elected PRESIDENT of the federal republic of Nigeria !!

    It is not enough to name a mushroom school or a dirty stadium after such a great man whose death gave us this democracy, imperfect as it may be !!

    Nigerians ought to be fighting for justice for Abiola and not raging over a school that neither add nor remove from his legacies !!

    From: yommi

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • If my previous comment is posted then this is all a huge scam.

    From: Chris

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • With due respect to Mr Nduka, I consider this piece quite moving but twisted. You may have your emotional stirings as a result of your involvement with the democratic struggle and the sad death of Chief M.K.O but its not an excuse to confirm your ignorance of the truth and how to present facts correctly.
    You stated that M.K.O gave 100 million to UNILAG in the eighties, I'm sorry I'm not as old as you, but where is your evidence? 100m in the eighties would have transformed that school then and even today. People may choose to swim in the waters of ignorance with you but I won't. Today we hear of Chief Awolowo's contributions to education in Nigeria even so many years after he's gone, I shall skip the comparisons.
    I shall also skip ITT.
    Furthermore, its also sad that you would amplify the sad and undemocratic declaration of Mr president as just. We cannot allow these kinds of decisions as correct and just. It is true we lack democratic institutions in Nigeria and so people may not know what is right in a democracy after long years of misrule by the military, but must we continue like this and hope we'll arrive at the future intact? I do not think so.
    Much has been said about Havard and co, I'll leave the issue to rest.
    Let's not play to the gallery as we often do when people are in power, tell, write that Mr. President made the wrong call, not just procedurally but in terms of the long term effect.
    Changing names with impunity is part of our culture here but silly decisions are by no means correct.
    We did not protest when Mr. President named a street after himself, its the fear that he may be forgotten after 2015.
    Remember some of us too voted in 1993 along with Prof. Wole Soyinka and the rest of the Nadeco ppl, let's be serious about governance and not the idea of it...these was a terrible move on GEJ's part and even so his refusal to admit he was wrong.
    Finally, its more disheartening that you would be backing the wrong horse at this stage of your career

    From: laolu

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • With due respect to Mr Nduka, I consider this piece quite moving but twisted. You may have your emotional stirings as a result of your involvement with the democratic struggle and the sad death of Chief M.K.O but its not an excuse to confirm your ignorance of the truth and how to present facts correctly.
    You stated that M.K.O gave 100 million to UNILAG in the eighties, I'm sorry I'm not as old as you, but where is your evidence? 100m in the eighties would have transformed that school then and even today. People may choose to swim in the waters of ignorance with you but I won't. Today we hear of Chief Awolowo's contributions to education in Nigeria even so many years after he's gone, I shall skip the comparisons.
    I shall also skip ITT.
    Furthermore, its also sad that you would amplify the sad and undemocratic declaration of Mr president as just. We cannot allow these kinds of decisions as correct and just. It is true we lack democratic institutions in Nigeria and so people may not know what is right in a democracy after long years of misrule by the military, but must we continue like this and hope we'll arrive at the future intact? I do not think so.
    Much has been said about Havard and co, I'll leave the issue to rest.
    Let's not play to the gallery as we often do when people are in power, tell, write that Mr. President made the wrong call, not just procedurally but in terms of the long term effect.
    Changing names with impunity is part of our culture here but silly decisions are by no means correct.
    We did not protest when Mr. President named a street after himself, its the fear that he may be forgotten after 2015.
    Remember some of us too voted in 1993 along with Prof. Wole Soyinka and the rest of the Nadeco ppl, let's be serious about governance and not the idea of it...these was a terrible move on GEJ's part and even so his refusal to admit he was wrong.
    Finally, its more disheartening that you would be backing the wrong horse at this stage of your career

    From: laolu

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • THE PPL WHO ANNULLED THE ELECTION NOTHING WAS DONE TO THEM. NOW YOU WANT TO RENAME A UNIVERSITY LIKE IT IS NOTHING. AS A NIGERIAN ABROAD I GET ASKED FOR TRANSCRIPTS CV Y CHngE Name? LEaVE UNIVERSITY OF LAGOS AS IT IS. MISPLACED PRIORITES Is OUR PROBLEM AND WE KNOW U YOU WILL SUPPORT ANINI IF HE Is president. SO I Am NOT SUPRISED PLEAse let's US KEEP OUR INSTITUTION as it is REName National stadium Abuja as MKO stadium if ur intention is geniune tell JONathan and leave UNIVERSITY OF LAgOs we have hope to be in Africa top ten uni and NIGERIa leader has VIsion or u will suffer cos the revolution is coming we are tired and depressed

    From: hero

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • This piece reinstates my respect for ThisDay that has been waning for some time now. Good work, Nduka Obaigbena. More of less personal back page pieces would help. Segun Adeniyi, et all, please take a cue.

    From: Ade_Ade

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • This piece reinstates my respect for ThisDay that has been waning for some time now. Good work, Nduka Obaigbena. More of less personal back page pieces would help. Segun Adeniyi, et all, please take a cue.

    From: Ade_Ade

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • God bless u Nduka very informative gist bye

    From: sunday michael

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • THANK U,PROFESSOR. But u still haven't change anything; because,THAT MAN is still blind,and others like THAT MAN! Not because HE/THEY was/were meanrt to be BLIND,NO! but because HE/THEY is/are determined to REMAIN BLIND! NOW, Professor, u will need to perform a MIRACLE to make THAT MAN see! God bless u,chief Nduka Obaigbena,longliveMoshoodAbiolaUni! LongliveGEJ!! longliveNigeria!!!

    From: white cole

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Many people don't know that Nduka was a prose stylist in his days at THISWEEK. I'm more interested in the beautiful writing than the substance. This was how Dele Giwa used to clarified issues on those day of great columns. Great you are back. Write regularly. This is your first love, writing. This is your niche. Don't be caught up with managerial and organizing all those music, conference stuff. Those don't add much value to people like me. The weekly column is what we love to read. That is what gave dele giwa large following. It is through your writing and .... NOW THIS.... that we came to know you Nduka. We thank God he has not taken away the talent from you. Write again!

    From: matthew arikanki

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • THANK U,PROFESSOR. But u still haven't change anything; because,THAT MAN is still blind,and others like THAT MAN! Not because HE/THEY was/were meanrt to be BLIND,NO! but because HE/THEY is/are determined to REMAIN BLIND! NOW, Professor, u will need to perform a MIRACLE to make THAT MAN see! God bless u,chief Nduka Obaigbena,longliveMoshoodAbiolaUni! LongliveGEJ!! longliveNigeria!!!

    From: white Cole

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Olalekan Joshua: The Act was abrogate. Do the research before you advertise your ignorance. Have you read the UniLag constitution before ever? Do you realize the GEJ is The Visitor to the University of Lagos, and have you investigated what his powers as Visitor are, as guaranteed by the UniLag constitution, and that that of FRN? Or are you merely mouthing and repeating what you heard other politically motivated individuals trying to spread?

    From: Chuks Obasi

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • THANK U, PROFESSOR. But u still haven't change anything; because,THAT MAN is still blind, and others like THAT MAN! Not because HE/THEY was/were meant to be BLIND,NO! but because HE/THEY is/are determined to REMAIN BLIND! NOW, Professor, u will need to perform a MIRACLE to make THAT MAN see! God bless u,chief Nduka Obaigbena, longlive MoshoodAbiolaUni! LongliveGEJ!! longlive Nigeria!!!

    From: white Cole

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Why is it that everything concerning Abiola's name with govt. is always protest? Somebody please answer me.

    From: Lawyer

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • MKO's legacies lives on...Unilag has been renamed and there is no going back..But i am rather surprised at the attitude of some of our well respected profs and faculty..Its so shameful to see them go on an emotional high instead of going for substance......NDUKA I SALUTE

    From: joe ekot

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Why not publish all comments and let the truth come out. If ur talking about sponsorship Folawiyo sponsor unilag more than abiola. but the truth is university of Lagos is bigger than abiola. Ok choose one School to attend. Ajepako business school or Lagos business school? If u love abiola so much why not change thisday to moshood abiola thisday newspaper? let's be honest because of the future and not downgrading our institutions

    From: Obe

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • What of sikiruayinde university? Since name no matter

    From: tinko

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Sir,i still have a hunch that your analysis and presentations of facts as regard UNILAG rechristen is jaundiced.

    From: matthew,greymaterrc@yahoo.com

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Choose one saheed osupa university, wahaab folawiyo, university ajepakouniversity lagos university ?

    From: Dali

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Rich in information!

    From: Noel

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Rich in information. First time I am hearing that MKO donated so much to this university!

    From: Noel

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Unilag is a brand
    Let's keep it that way
    Simple.

    From: linda

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Unilag is a brand
    Let's keep it that way
    Simple.

    From: linda

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Oga Nduka please squeez your tight schedules to write on burning national issues at least once in a month. Many writers are no longer informative but rather partisan with poor sense of judgement. Since Abati left the stage, we've not had something like this. It's simply a special one!
    I've since commented last week that name does not make a university but academic excellence supported by enabling environment for studies, administrative and infrastructural wise.

    From: nwatah mike

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • Peace maker that Nigerian leaders can not do without. Best regards, The Duke of Nigerian Journalism1

    From: Hezekiah Akinwole

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • I was so startled when I read that the Yorubas in Lagos are protesting about renaming of UNILAG to one of their own. As usual they play dirty politics. If this action was taken by one of them and its in the best interest of their political agenda there would never have been a challenge to it. In my opinion Nduka was right on the money when he said Abiola deserves the right to be honored and remembered as one of the heroes who fought for democracy in Nigeria. But with the Yorubas not wanting to see any thing positive that the President does in Lagos they will rather send their heroes to the dogs than make Jonathan shine in their state. Renaming an institution as Nduka said does make it a stellar institution but rather through hard work in "research and scholarship".

    From: Nmu Ika

    Posted: 11 months ago

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  • This is from the grand-master, end of story. Ndu you are the guy.

    From: Ganiyu Alao

    Posted: 11 months ago

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